Fire and the Saffroniate

We had a quiet Diwali dinner with some South Asian literati here in Cambridge, Mass. No fireworks, but some useful clarity especially about the need for a unified South Asian voice, and where Brown Pundits fits in.

Threads, Fire, and a New Warrior Class

Kabir remains catnip for the Commentariat or as I’ll now call them, the Saffroniate (Brahmins or Brahminised). They pretend otherwise, but the numbers don’t lie. The threads light up when he’s around and yes, I’m aware of the layered joke: threads mean something else too, especially to our youngest Pundits-in-training.

Some figures draw fire. That’s not a flaw; it’s a feature. I assumed we’d outgrown needing that. We haven’t. I was wrong. The Saffroniate isn’t yet a community. It still relies on the presence of an “Other” to cohere; much like its offline twin. That’s why momentum dips. When I find myself redoing old work, motivation dips too.

Kabir brings momentum for free. That’s not praise; just tactical fact. Same applies to Sbarrkum. Both have time, means, and intent. Their presence triggers traffic. That traffic draws others. That’s the loop.

What’s often missed is that Kabir and Sbarrkum represent elite intellectual strands in their respective countries. Omar and I don’t. We’re more like Cassandras; forecasting futures no one wants to adopt. But the Saffroniate tends to flatten dissent, especially when it falls outside the accepted Overton window.

If Kabir returns, I won’t be moderating his views unless they cross a personal line; especially around Dr. V (Indian Hindu Sindhi by background). That said, Kabir’s provocations often prompt me to post. That’s productive.

Admins should steer clear of comment threads involving Kabir, Qureshi, or Sbarrkum. Let the Saffroniate seek refuge in our posts but caveat emptor if they wander into foreign terrain. Authors have full rights over their own post’s comment threads. Unless comments are clearly offensive, abusive, or illegal, the Author sets the tone. Use common sense, and assume others will too.

As always: new original content only. Reposts are fine, but must be prefaced with a substantive original contribution; if you’re quoting 10 lines, at least 3–4 should be your own.


Division of Labour

Let’s clarify roles:

  • Admins (Indosaurus, Nivedita, and myself) manage posts, not threads.

  • Authors handle their own threads.

If an Admin sees a triggering comment on another thread, the answer isn’t to reply; it’s to post. We scale through tone, not through thread fights. As Kabir pours kerosene into the threads, we’ll need a new warrior class of the Saffroniate. From Pundits to Pahlwans.

We need a core of 20–30 regular commenters. As of now? Maybe 7–9. If Kabir permanently stays out: 3–4. With Kabir and Qureshi in: closer to 12–15. These are the ones who post consistently, engage cleanly, and can graduate to Authors, then Admins.

Until that core exists, the structure rests on personal energy. If the interdiction lifts, it will lift for both Kabir and Qureshi. Qureshi will be invited as an Author. Yes, this may tilt BP toward Pakistani and Islamic themes. But let’s be honest, that’s what the Saffroniate wants. K & Q sprinkle the masala. The Commentariat snorts it.

This isn’t ideological. It’s structural. The data is clear: when the conversation heats up, so does traffic. The view that it’s better for BP to be dead than dynamic-but-messy is unserious; especially for a voluntary forum I’ve sustained (on and off) for 15 years.


Beyond Polemics

BP can also be a space for science, philosophy, and civilizational longform; especially where those conversations are blocked elsewhere. Not every post needs to polemicise. The door is open. The signal can pulse through the noise.

Each of us brings a different flavour. That’s a strength. But few understand the energy it takes to keep a platform alive. Kabir has bandwidth. He’s wealthy, Renaissance-inspired, in Lahore, and online full-time. This is his zone. That energy shows.

He may yet become Pakistan’s Arundhati Roy; overwrought at times, but never disloyal. A live wire, not a saboteur. Sbarrkum brings something else: esoterica, range, unpredictability. Sometimes extreme, but always valuable. Let a thousand schools of thought flourish.


Next Steps

Starting next month, I’ll send a light-touch monthly pulse-check to Admins, Authors, and Stakeholders. Who’s in. Who’s active. Where next. No pressure but clarity helps. The interdiction stays, for now. I’m watching traffic, tone, and tempo. If anything shifts, it’ll be structural; not personal hence why I’m sharing my thoughts so that this is an “open forum.”

InshAllah.

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Indosaurus
1 month ago

Well x.t.m. I think you got some clarity on this blog, India-Pakistan is the catnip. Kabir sustains it because of time*energy*predictable-inconsistency. Perhaps all it needs is a steady drip of Indo-Pak every time it feels like on life support.

While I am here, let me voice my annoyance about this whole “Brahmin” view of the commentariat. Talking about caste in a personal manner is exceedingly rude, or at the very least it is amongst my social circle (yes deeply privileged for sure). Even amongst the more caste conscious this is typically ascertained in a very circumspect manner.
Not speaking for everyone, but just my own exceedingly strong revulsion about it.

Maybe I’ll post about it later.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

It is rude especially given that most people are no longer “caste concious” in the ways of old.

Indian Govt is still Caste conscious

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/government-approves-caste-census-what-is-it-and-why-it-matters-explained/articleshow/120768650.cms

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

So now two Anti Abrahamic (That means Muslims and Christians) possible Brahmins Identified

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

There a common parlor game called mafia (now a famous reality tv series called traitors). You should try it, would be excellent entertainment.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

common parlor game called mafia (now a famous reality tv series called traitors). You should try it, would be excellent entertainment.

I am quite dumb sometimes possibly because of peasant shudra origins.
Dont understand riddles.

Just spell it out. If you are a coward and cant do that, we can leave it at that.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I can see you salivating at the idea of another false victimhood narrative. Wipe your mouth buddy, not going to happen, you’ve already admitted your caste privilege, play dumb & dumber with someone else.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

you’ve already admitted your caste privilege,

Privilege but not because of caste.

my social circle (yes deeply privileged for sure).
So you have privilege because of caste. Just keep in mind the more you write, the more you expose yourself

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Not experiencing caste discrimination is the privilege here, which is why your narrative keeps being exposed as false and fake. You keep trying to identify with people who have truly been discriminated against, like some sort of Sri Lankan Rachel Dolezal.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Not experiencing caste discrimination is the privilege here,

Exactly in Casteist India a privilege not to have case Discrimination

I live in Sri Lanka. No Caste discrimination, The Privilege come for other reasons/ I will let you figure that and you stew for a while.

If I lived in India I and my ancestors would be discriminated for dark color and caste

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

That’s just a projection, a fantasy of discrimination which didn’t happen to you but you’ve internalized in order to project a false victimhood.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

but you’ve internalized in order to project a false victimhood.

No different from my speaking out about racism against African Americans in the US. Not because of victim hood for myself but because it is the right thing to do. .

But then most Indians join in the Racism against Kallas (Black people) carrying over your Indo Aryan Hindu Bias.to the US.

A clip from a Caribbean Heritage British woman on how they fought for Rights. Then the Whites then decided to use the South Asians to divide the African heritage peoples in Britain (and in the US too)

https://web.facebook.com/reel/4263836517170070

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Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Nor sure whether the two you have identified are Brahmins are not but more power to them as they continue the good fight.

“If there were no Brahmins, all pagans would be converted to our faith.” Francis Xavier 

Ref: The life and letters of St.Francis Xavier, Volume 1 

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sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

Nor sure whether the two you have identified are Brahmins are not but more power to them as they continue the good fight.

No question, they are continuing the good fight including Indo Aryan supremacy which goes hand in hand with Casteism.

Clear as day example is the NE,where a free run to this scum (Christian) has resulted in fissures in society, and a hatred towards Hindus (undeniably promoted by monotheistic ideologies). It’s different that these ideologies exploited the pre-existing fissures due to caste discrimination only to magnify the hatred, rather than focus on genuine upliftment.

Thats the kind of hate that killed off the Buddhists in India

People should be free to chose whatever belief, not just what they were born into. My opinion would be that people should discard belief in the Divine like in China.

No different from Caste. You are born into it and cant shake it off

Last edited 1 month ago by sbarrkum
Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

Pls don’t feed his madness. You will soon realize how wild his speculations are.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

hahaha…point taken 🙂

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Where is the so called Dharmic tolerance.

The Christian Destruction of the Classical

Probably much the same as Hindus destroying Buddhism in India. Even to the extent of erasing Asoka one of Indias greatest from History

When I criticize religions I got to the doctrines. eg Judaism and Christianity concept of a Chosen People (Israel is implementing in full force). No different from Indo Aryan Hinduism and it chosen twice born. Colorism Racism (Varna Dharma) thrown in for good measure.

Have you ever wondered why Indo Aryan India is lagging in HDI indicators compared with Dravidian. Thats because 95% of the population is allowed to blossom. Whereas in Indo Aryan Hindu India 50% are marginalized. There are real Economic and social GDP/capita and HDI) because of racism and Casteism.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Maybe, but not this way.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

No one is denying privilege. Just declining to participate in caste narratives anymore. This includes being labelled as such. Also xtm would you consider you might be wrong about the commentariat?

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

One of my acquaintances co-authored a seminal book on this topic. He was demonized as a Brahmin. This ironically drove home the point of his book because my friend is a Dalit and a proud dharmic Hindu. He has experienced actual discrimination and yet understood the complexity of the situation better than most. That is how screwed up some of the assumptions here are..Agree to this and your previous suggestion… no point even engaging in such narratives.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

because my friend is a Dalit and a proud dharmic Hindu.

Plenty of Uncle Toms all over the world

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