Genocide by any other name

“My nerves are shattered,” says Noura, a 26-year-old Palestinian woman, explaining that she has been “left with nothing”.

After years of IVF treatment, she became pregnant in July 2023. “I was overjoyed,” she remembers, describing the moment she saw the positive pregnancy test.

She and her husband Mohamed decided to store two more embryos at Al-Basma Fertility Centre in Gaza City, which had helped them conceive, in the hope of having more children in the future.

“I thought my dream had finally come true,” she says. “But the day the Israelis came in, something in me said it was all over.”

Israel launched a military campaign in Gaza in response to Hamas’s cross-border attack on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken hostage.

Since then at least 54,000 people have been killed in Gaza, according to the territory’s health ministry.

Like thousands of Gazans, Noura and Mohamed had to repeatedly flee, and were unable to get the food, vitamins and medication she needed for a healthy pregnancy.

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phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago

There has to be a term for this, where terrorists are elected, terrorists dont allow any further elections, terrorists plan for years and execute barbaric terrorist attack, the other side retaliates and people who voted and allowed terrorists to come to power and let them do as they wished now suffer and say, the other side is evil. I think “moron” would suite quite well.

Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

You don’t have to like Hamas (I certainly carry no brief for them) but I’m curious exactly how many war crimes Israel has to commit before you stop defending them?

Some retaliation for the October 7 attack was expected but this “war” has now been going on for over two and a half years. Do you not find this at all excessive?

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

you keep defending pakistan, its horrific human rights track record. Its persecution of minorities, its support for terrorism. You have no shame, your tricks of applying higher moral values i possess wont work on me, as i believe in reciprocity. I seek to apply same moral rights as others are willing to confer on me. Begone, snake, back to your hole!

Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

“Begone snake back to your hole!”– Haha! I’m an author on this blog. You are not. You are in no position to attempt to banish me.

You avoided the question. Just exactly what does Israel have to do before you stop defending them?

Pakistan has absolutely nothing to do with this issue. Whataboutary is not an argument.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

reciprocity is the argument. Muslims should not be shameless and realize, you have no moral rights to demand than the ones you confer. World will soon come to this conclusion. Will Palestinians apologize for voting hamas?. Will they give assurance that all hamas members shall be jailed.

Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

So basically you are fine with a genocide being committed because Palestinians voted for Hamas.

You’re a genocide apologist as long as the people being genocided are Muslim. I’m not going to waste any further time on you.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

You are the genocide apologist,you never accepted pakistan committed genocide in 1971. I never said israel should not be criticize, i said, muslims have no right to talk about it with your horrific human rights track record.

The only measure of morality is reciprocity, until muslims do not stand up and fight their bigots, they have no right to ask any better from others.

Last edited 5 months ago by phyecho
phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

It matters, when the people responsible for it never acknowledge, never punished those responsible are now arguing about it. Those people have no locus standing. Like kabir, His country is a place of ongoing persecution for minorities for over 70 yrs, And he never gives a shit about it, but cares about palestine?. Or is, it just that for him, only muslim lives matter and nothing else?.A lot of minorities have rights only because people are willing to stand up to bigots of their own faith. What do we say to those who never picked a fight or organize to isolate bigots in their own society but talk endlessly about muslim rights in India, israel, Palestine etc?.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
5 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

Keep in mind terrorist become freedom fighters if they win.

eg George Washington and the Revolution against the English King.
Ben Gurion against the British to establish Israel

As a result, with Ben-Gurion’s approval the Haganah entered into a secret alliance with the Irgun and Lehi called the Jewish Resistance Movement in October 1945 and participated in attacks against the British.

Ben-Gurion agreed to the Irgun’s plan to bomb the King David Hotel in order to destroy incriminating documents that Ben-Gurion feared would prove that the Haganah had been participating in the violent insurrection against the British in cooperation with the Irgun and Lehi with the approval of himself and other Jewish Agency officials. However, Ben-Gurion asked that the operation be delayed, but the Irgun refused. The Irgun carried out the King David Hotel bombing in July 1946, killing 91 people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion

Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Yes, one man’s “terrorist” is another man’s “freedom fighter”.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

islamofascist, never speaks about actual persecution of non muslims happening in own country. But will fight for muslims elsewhere. Muslims rights alone matters to islamofascists like kabir.

Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

Ah yes, “Islamofascist”– The only people who use this word are right-wing trolls.

X.T.M: You seriously need to think about the types of commentors that seem to find their way here.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Here is an islamofascist who denied to accept 1971 was a genocide for long, look at this evidence in this very blog.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

“reciprocity is the argument. Muslims should not be shameless and realize, you have no moral rights to demand than the ones you confer.” Read properly.Kabir is an islamofascist, who has no problems with a 70 year ongoing persecutiong of minorities in his home country of pakistan, has never had a problem with genocide they actually committed in 1971 in bangladesh. The nature of islamofascist and their enablers is to demand greater rights from non muslims than they confer , perfectly fine in killing and raping others, but dont like it when they are on the receiving end.

Last edited 5 months ago by phyecho
Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

You clearly have no grasp of argumentation. I guess you’ve never studied the humanities.

So because the Pakistan Army committed war crimes in East Pakistan, Israel is allowed to commit genocide against Palestinians? What kind of a ridiculous argument is this!

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

you have no grasp of argumentation. You have no right to talk about israel, because you, a pakistani, with horrific crimes you are allowing everyday in your country have no standing on morality at all.

Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

Unfortunately for you, you are no one to give certificates about what people are allowed to talk about.

By the way, I’m an American citizen. So your argument fails again.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir
Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

You do realize that many Palestinians are Christian?

You are simply an Islamophobic bigot.

sbarrkum
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Palestinian and Arab Christians are the longest Christians. Many forget Christ and his disciples were Jews (rejected by Jews) who live in Palestine

From Wiki
postulated that approximately 6.5% of the global Palestinian population was Christian, and that 56% of this figure was living outside of Palestine and Israel.

As of 2015, Palestinian Christians comprise between 1% and 2.5% of the population of the West Bank, and about 3,000 (0.13%) of the population of the Gaza Strip.[3][4] According to official British Mandate statistics, Christians accounted for 9.5% of the total population (and 10.8% of Palestine’s Arabs) in 1922 and 7.9% of the total population in 1946

Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

They must have been Jews who converted to Christianity and then didn’t go on to convert to Islam post the Arab conquest.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Wow, a guy who never cared about christians in pakistan, finds it in his heart to care about palestinian christians. What a islamofascist you are, others lifes dont matter in of itself except as a subterfufe to argue for muslims. The only bigot is you. I made my policy crystal clear. “RECIPROCITY”. Want something, Give something of equal value. Else Slither away to your hole and wait for next dum dum victim to prey upon.

Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

I’m simply pointing out the flaw in your logic. Even if you hate Muslims, why do Palestinian Christians have to pay for the crimes of Muslims?

“Else slither away…”- Watch your tone with me. I’m an author on this blog and you are not.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

My logic is you have no locus standing on this issue. A genocide denier like you are without moral shame.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I am arguing against an islamofascist. Kabir denied 1971 genocide, that is the reason I left this blog. Because I could not share being author in same place such those people.

Last edited 5 months ago by phyecho
Kabir
5 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

For the record, I have never “denied” the war crimes that were committed in 1971. “Genocide” is a politicized word. Some people don’t even want to call what is happening in Gaza a genocide. Whether we use the word or not war crimes are certainly being committed.

There are only a few cases in which there is a consensus that “genocide” is the appropriate term: The Holocaust, the Cambodian Genocide and Rwanda.

I take great offense to being called an “Islamofascist”. First of all, it’s clearly a right-wing term. Second of all, I am a fiercely secular person. You have no idea the degree to which I even practice Islam. So your use of this word is completely inappropriate.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

what more can one expect from a liar!. Better is qureshi, he puts his view clear without ambiguity unlike those who slither. But the record is clear and those who want to check can go through or ask omar.

phyecho1
phyecho1
5 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

why?. Do you have a problem with me revealing that all kabir ever does is talk of muslims, muslims and muslims when they get attacked but never considers the human costs of the crimes they commit on others?. Even after inviting him to talk about those problems faced by minorities in pakistan, which was my idea to test his morality. He rejected it at once by saying he does not wish to discuss such matters here. But is happy to discuss the costs muslims have to face ?. Whats the moral logic or the intellectual logic here?. That one should not expose an Islamofascist for what he is?
My words are barbed because that is what it takes to reveal pretenders, but never abusive. What is the line?. Your methods seem completely subjective. And you give the impression to others that i am being abusive when i am not. People should atleast know that.

Last edited 5 months ago by phyecho
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