Red Fort Attack and Aftermath: Initial Thoughts by Manav S.

 

Red Fort Attack and Aftermath: Initial Thoughts by Manav S.

Last evening’s devastating car-explosion near the Red Fort in Delhi is not only a cruel assault on innocent lives but an assault on the very symbolism of our nation. According to early reports, a vehicle detonated close to the busy metro zone at the historic Red Fort complex, killing at least eight people and injuring more than twenty.  The government has invoked anti-terror legislation and launched a full probe under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act (UAPA). 

First, we must recognise the human tragedy behind the headlines. Lives shattered, families devastated, fear spreading in a city already grappling with chronic insecurity. For those of us of South Asian heritage who carry memories of communal strife, of migration and displacement, this attack touches a deeper chord of vulnerability and of collective memory. Hospitals have reported frantic cries, missing persons, relatives screaming for loved ones. 

Second, the choice of location amplifies the message. The Red Fort is not just another landmark: it is an emblem of India’s sovereignty, its layered history, its identity. To strike here is to strike at the heart of public confidence and to send a message of audacious defiance. As scholars writing on “brown diasporic publics” know, our public spaces carry meaning not just for those inside India, but for those of us abroad who anchor our identity in ‘homeland’ narratives. This attack disrupts that anchor.

Third, we must resist both fear and simplistic narratives. The invocation of terror laws suggests the state is treating this as a planned act of violence, not an accident.  But let us guard against quick binaries: Us vs Them, Hindus vs Muslims, India vs Outsiders. In a plural society like ours, sweeping communal attributions too often deepen fault-lines rather than heal them. Our commentary must demand both justice and wisdom: meticulous investigation, transparent process, and safeguarding civil rights in the process.

Fourth, what does this mean for our shared public culture? For someone born in Punjab and now living across borders, the explosion challenges our sense of movement, of belonging, of normalcy. We think of carrying family across continents, of re-configuring identity in Washington–DC and Delhi , how do such apparently random acts of terror recalibrate the psychic cost of migration and the distance between home and homeland? The answer is: they make the cost higher, the emotional freight heavier.

Finally, the path forward must hold three imperatives: one, empathy – for all victims, irrespective of religion, class or residence; two, accountability – for whoever plotted, financed or enabled this attack; and three, renewal – of the public realm, the shouting panic, the fear-laden sighs, with something stronger: resilient civic culture, public institutions we trust, cross-community solidarity.

As a brown pundit, I urge our readership to see beyond the flashes of violence, beyond the political spin, and to ask the deeper questions: What kind of society are we building? What kind of public spaces do we imagine, and what cost are we willing to pay for them? For if we shrug now, the symbolic scar will grow — far after the immediate blast damage is repaired.

In that moment of stillness after the blast, we owe to our fellow citizens not just sorrow, but vigilant hope.

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Manav Sachdeva

Manav Sachdeva Maasoom (also known as Maasoom Shah, and MS Maasoom) is a poet, diplomat, chief international officer with McCann Kyiv, and writes literature in Urdu and English, with some contributions in Punjabi as well. His work is listed on Mr. Urdu Poetry website (mrurdupoetry.com). Manav Sachdeva Maasoom Shah was the New York City Luce Foundation and the United Nations Poet Laureate for 2015. His first book, The Sufi’s Garland, was published by Roman Books Kolkata in 2011. His second book, Siyaah Shaam Ka Ikhtetaam (The End of a Very Dark Evening), is expected to go to press this year (2020). He studied Poetry and Policy Studies for his Master’s at Columbia University, and at Harvard University Olympia Program in Comparative Literature, Society, and Culture through a full Kokallis Foundation Scholarship. Manav Sachdeva Maasoom Shah grew up in Ludhiana, Punjab, India till fifteen, went to high school and undergraduate in California, dropped out of a seven-year UCR-UCLA Biomed program for the love of poetry writing and social reform as a shock decision for a scion of doctors, pursued love of literature and languages through an arduous journey at various universities and through various loans and scholarships (Ann Arbor—University of Michigan) and Harvard and Columbia.

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RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago

How I wish that instead of bombs and missiles, India and Pakistan would instead have a race in education or development. And collaborate instead of compete.

But these are pipe dreams. At least for now. Maybe sometime in my lifetime.

X.T.M
Admin
1 month ago

I guess the WhatsApp has drained all the comments 😂

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

😀

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago

One reason I prefer Sri Lanka compare itself to Thailand and Malaysia

Kabir
1 month ago

That is not going to happen. Not in either of our lifetimes.

The basic condition for peace is a resolution of the Kashmir Dispute in a way that is acceptable to the Kashmiri people and to Pakistan as well as to India. Instead, your country has annexed Kashmir, downgraded it into a union territory and removed Article 370. That is utterly unacceptable to Pakistan and to Kashmiri Muslims. The Musharraf-Manmohan plan was the best deal on offer and could have solved this problem. Instead you all have doubled down on wanting to retake AJK and GB. That will never be allowed.

Your country’s recent violation of Pakistan’s territorial integrity in May has furthered muddied the waters. We are never going to accept your hegemony. So India needs to rethink its attitude. That is if you sincerely want peace.

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

vast majority of hindus have no desire for peace with pakistan at any cost. yes, there may be some bleeding hearts here and there. the generation of hindus who wanted peace with pakistan is dead or very old. the current lot would want india to wup pakistan is there is violence from their side.all in india, hindus and muslims do clearly understand that giving pakistan all of kashmir with its hindu population of jammu and even giving delhi will not make pakistan stop its violence against india and hindus. there is a real fear in the minda of pakistani elite, that if relations with india and pakistan become normal with visits, trade, cinema, culture etc, pakistan will not survive as a military hybrid state and will fall like east germany and will be absorbed into india.

X.T.M
Admin
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

Where do you speak about the minds of the Pakistani elite?

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

well right from the top of the pakistani establishment:

the state of pakistan was formed based on two nation theory. where is the need for the field marshal to mention it again and again in various forums.

the way shahid afridi spoke about influences of hindi serials on his house hold is one point.

if the elites did not ‘fear’ indian (hindu) soft power, where was the need to stop indian serials and promote turkish ones?

X.T.M
Admin
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

This is a very incorrect analysis

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

Shahid Afridi (like many conservative Muslims) didn’t want his children to imitate Hindu rituals. This is not unreasonable though of course I’m not defending his decision to break the TV.

Muslims (especially conservative ones) don’t take kindly to people engaging in shirk. Most Muslim fathers wouldn’t take kindly to their daughter pretending to do pooja or aarti. Would most Hindu fathers take kindly to their daughter pretending to do namaz? I doubt it.

Anyway, Shahid Afridi’s actions don’t represent the ideology of the Pakistani state.

Pakistan’s army chiefs have always referred to the Two nation theory. The TNT is the official “ideology of Pakistan”. There is nothing new in that.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

>Would most Hindu fathers take kindly to their daughter pretending to do namaz

There are many Indians who feel comfortable visiting and even praying at churches or mosques. While remaining comfortably ‘Hindu’. This simply isn’t as big a deal. There are likely thousands of home hindu shrines that include a photo of Jesus along with the murtis that get worshiped.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago

who feel comfortable visiting and even praying at churches or mosques. While remaining comfortably ‘Hindu’.

Not vice versa.
Monotheistic vs polytheistic

Christians (for sure Evangelistic) avoid visiting a Hindu Kovil.
Some are OK with Buddhist Temples (at least in Sri Lanka) Buddhism is agnostic

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RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I have christian friends who are very comfortable participating in hindu celebrations, and going to temples.

I don’t think non-Indians realize the level of inter-faith comfort and community that is possible to foster in India, especially urban India.

My grandparents had muslim neighbors, and I practically lived at their place during summer vacations. Some muslim families in India eat meals in a shared giant plate – I believe for religious reasons – I have eaten from those countless times. In India, I can have an Ashfaaq mama (maternal uncle) and a Janet auntie without anyone batting any eyelids.

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sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago

I have christian friends who are very comfortable participating in hindu celebrations, and going to temples.

What kind of Christian. Catholics are much more easy going.

I am a atheist, but 3rd gen Protestant Christians (Anglican) on both paternal and maternal sides.

Even my paternal (Jaffna Tamil) Protestant Christians never went into Hindu Kovils. That is even though one or two of them were prominent Jaffna Tamil Politicians (fathers generation)

On my mothers side her parents became Evangelical Christians (Assemblies of God, AOG big in US) pre WW2. So around or before 1930/

So much so, they built the first AOG church in Galle (Southern Province) next to their house.

Photo of house and Church attached.(.

Siyambala-and-AOG
RecoveringNewsJunkie
29 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

>What kind of Christian

Some catholic, some not.

X.T.M
Admin
1 month ago

Yes that is the magic of India..

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Yes that is the magic of India.

No my impression of Indo Aryan Indians outside of India.

I went to a small (1,200 students Year 1-12) school. As you have been to Sri Lanka you will know what S. Thomas in Mt Lavinia means.

I had about 10+ classmates who were 2nd or 3rd Gen Indian, almost all from the business community, Sindhis; Borahs, Gujarati Muslims and Hindus.

a) Not a single one married a Sri Lankan

b) Indian Hindus did not associate with Sri Lankan Tamil Hindus. Indian Muslims did not associate with Sri Lankan Muslim (at family level)

c) There was definitely a color factors. Most of those Indians were light skinned and us Sri Lankans are very very dark

I got on well with most of them. But there was always a distance, not invited to their houses.

Dietary restriction might have been a reason. Most Sri Lankans eat Pork and Beef.

In an all Sri Lankan social event not an Issue. Pork and Beef are kept separate.

But the Indian Muslim and Hindu have an issue. Each does not want Pork or Beef anywhere nearby. Does not work like that in Sri Lanka. The guy/gal who eats Pork or Beef will sit next to a vegetarian or Muslim and chat while eating.

Thats the MAGIC of Sri Lanka, Tolerance

X.T.M
Admin
29 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Interesting ..

RecoveringNewsJunkie
29 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

>I had about 10+ classmates who were 2nd or 3rd Gen Indian, almost all from the business community, Sindhis; Borahs, Gujarati Muslims and Hindus.

So the diaspora is a very different social ‘beast’ than their contemporary counterparts back in the homeland. Their social ‘norms’ are a version of what they left India with, and then evolve from that point onwards, depending on multiple factors – the diversity within and without the specific diaspora community, and the integration they evolve with. So the diaspora in Kenya, or a Sri Lanka, will be markedly different than the one in London, which in turn will be different from the US one. Some similarities, but quite different as well.

My friends and relatives in the US are often struck by the notable cultural differences they see on visiting India, relative to their expectations and memories of what was.

Hope that makes sense to you?

p.s. also the specific ‘business community’ you reference, has its own specific peculiarities that cannot really be extrapolated to other ‘flavors’ of Indians. Because their lifestyle, culture and even livelihood sort-of depends on a special type of community networking and interdependency.

Kabir
1 month ago

Islam takes monotheism very seriously. Idol worship is shirk.

Anyway, I’m not here to defend Shahid Afridi’s parenting except to say that the way he chooses to parent his children is his choice. He is a conservative Pashtun.

If my hypothetical child were imitating Hindu rituals, I would just tell him or her that we are Muslims and don’t do such things.

Given the Islamophobia of today’s Hindutva India, a Muslim girl imitating Islamic rituals would probably be accused of having been influenced by “love jihad”. Let’s not kid ourselves.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

“the current lot would want India to wup Pakistan”– You do realize Pakistan is a nuclear armed state? India will never “wup” Pakistan. If there is ever a serious threat to our territorial integrity, we have absolutely no issues with using our nuclear weapons. They are not there for decoration. Lt. Gen Kidwai clearly articulated the conditions under which the nukes can be used. Do look them up.

“Giving Pakistan all of Kashmir”– That was never on the table. The best deal on offer was the Musharraf-Manmohan Plan. However, currently India refuses to even acknowledge that there is a dispute or says that the dispute only relates to Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan (the so-called “POK”). This is not a sustainable position. No matter how much you all shout “integral part”, the entire world knows the LOC is not a border but a temporary ceasefire line.

Pakistan will never be absorbed into India. No one in their right mind thinks that. A) India doesn’t want 250 million extra Muslims and B) Pakistan is a nuclear armed state. We will destroy all of South Asia before allowing ourselves to be reabsorbed by India. So that is a delusional fantasy.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

We have now had about a couple of decades pass where the economic divide between Ind-Pak has emerged and started to widen. My mind goes to the territorial conflicts between US and Mexico. Mexico certainly isn’t going to ‘absorbed’ into the US, nor would Americans want it to. But the steady stream of immigrants, legal or otherwise, tell the tale.

East Pakistanis have already started telling a similar story over the last couple of decades – estimates of Bangladeshis living in India vary widely – from 3 million to as high as 12-15 million. Numbers on either end still say it all.

Pakistan I feel has possibilities to be a Canada, or Mexico. Or a walled off North Korea. Time will tell.

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Kabir
1 month ago

The US- Canada analogy is fundamentally incorrect. The US and Canada do not have a territorial dispute. The US and Canada did not go through a violent Partition. They are both fundamentally White Christian countries (though of course both are secular states).

As long as India refuses to discuss Occupied Kashmir, there will never be peace.

Bangladeshis are also starting to despise India. Rising Hindutva will do that as will India’s support of a dictator (Sheikh Hasina). I heard a podcast on “The Print” just yesterday about how India has lost Bangladeshi civil society.

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RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

You are free to dismiss others’ opinions and perspectives. Do you think all Mexicans “love” the USA?

The US and Mexico have fought wars, territory has been annexed. How many Mexicans attempt immigration to the US annually?

Economics trumps in the end. It is what it is.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago

The US and Mexico have fought wars, territory has been annexed. How many Mexicans attempt immigration to the US annually?

Mexican consider Texas and California to be their heritage.

Then there is the complication of Native Americans. Mexicans are for the most part “Native Americans”, just divided by an artificial boundary

Kabir
1 month ago

Given the treatment Muslims get in Hindutva India, no Pakistani Muslim in their right mind will immigrate to that country. Your home minister is on record as calling Bangladeshis “termites” which obviously doesn’t play well in that country either.

“Economics trumps in the end”– Not when the conflict between India and Pakistan is essentially over religious identity and the Two Nation Theory.

X.T.M
Admin
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Presumably most Pakistanis will either want to immigrate to West or the Persian Gulf

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

To the West most definitely. It’s every Pakistanis dream to move to the US or Canada. Those who don’t have enough English or education to go to those countries try to go to the Arab world.

One can certainly see why people from a third world country would want a better life in the developed world.

Why would a Pakistani want to go to India? The standard of living (as of right now) is not much better than Pakistan. Whether people on BP like it or not, the reality is India is a poor third world country.

Add to that the fact that the Hindutva regime in India despises Muslims. Why would a Muslim want to go to a country like that?

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
29 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

It is way way better than Pakistan. You try to cope by doing “sem2sem” but India is not on the same level of poor as Pakistan.

India is 15-20 years ahead of Pak.

And the gap will only grow. In 25 years India will be a high income high hdi country. Pakistan will not even be at the level India is at now.

We might see a future where Pakistanis cross the border to do daily wage labour on the Indian side then come back in the evening.

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

is ur only point in this blog to troll about Pakistan?

RecoveringNewsJunkie
29 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Migration is a function of necessity and incentives. Bangladeshis that can, do choose to immigrate to the West, or the gulf etc. But the ones that cannot, are streaming by the millions into India.

Now the Bangladesh borders with India are far more porous and ‘accessible’ than Indian counterparts. And the economic pressures are…not as imposing.

But if 20 years from now, the compensation in India for labor and blue-collar work starts to approach Dubai/ME levels?

Stranger things have happened. Time and history march to their own beat.

Kabir
29 days ago

All I will say is that India’s relationship with Bangladesh is very different from India’s relationship with Pakistan. However, India’s relationship with Bangladesh is fast deteriorating. Calling Bangldeshis “termites” certainly doesn’t help. Perhaps introspect about why almost every country in South Asia hates you. If it were only Pakistan that would be one thing, but India’s arrogance has managed to alienate almost all the countries in the region.

Pakistani Muslims are not going to immigrate to a country where the regime in power demonizes Muslims. Who are you kidding?

RecoveringNewsJunkie
29 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Do Pakistanis migrate to countries where muslims or ‘desis’ are sub-optimally treated? France for example, outlaws headscarves. Switzerland notably doesn’t allow mosque construction.

China, notoriously persecutes muslims to the extent of cultural genocide and mass incarcerations. Do Pakistanis study/work/migrate to China?

Yes, the Ind/Pak hostility is…different gravy. As of now.

But in spite of that, so many Pakistanis who manage to visit India have overwhelmingly positive experiences. Uzair Younis went viral over his discussion on visiting India. That biker youtuber is another one.

Youtube is littered with videos of non-celeb ‘random’ average Pakistanis discussing their personal visits to India in the most positive of terms.

I understand your personal feelings on the matter do not match that level of open-mindedness.

I am talking about 10-20 years further down the road. With the given economic trends, and hopefully, with violence and hostility between the 2 nations a thing of the past.

Kabir
29 days ago

“I understand your personal feelings”– i have written extensively about being a centre-left Pakistani. That post has images of me visiting the Taj Mahal. I spent time in my grandmother’s ancestral home in Agra. Do not presume to understand my “personal feelings”.

I cannot get a visa to India despite being an American citizen and not even having a Pakistani passport. My brother was supposed to go to India to interview Arundhati Roy and was told by your embassy that he needed to renounce his Pakistani nationality and then maybe he could get an Indian visa. He ended up interviewing Ms. Roy in Chicago.

“Violence and hostility being a thing of the past”– Not going to happen in either of our lifetimes. If you do not find a solution to Occupied Kashmir, hostility will not come down.

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RecoveringNewsJunkie
28 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

You say “Bangladesh has a different relationship with India” – Care to introspect how, what used to be ‘East Pakistan’ ended up having a markedly different relationship with India? Arguably ‘East Pakistan’ was more ….passionate about the Pakistan cause than the west, and in 25 years, things changed. Significantly.

Let us see what the picture looks like in 2047. I am optimistic about peace and collaborative co-existence for Ind-Pak – in the longer term. I do believe that things will unfortunately likely get worse before they get better.

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago

I think plus c’est change plus c’est la meme chose. the more things change the more they stay the same

RecoveringNewsJunkie
28 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Until they don’t.

I think in the 1930s, you would have found few who would have found assertions of partition and a separate nation for Indian muslims credible.

History moves to its own inexorable beat. Often glacially, but then there are avalanches.

We are often prisoners of extrapolating the geopolitical realities of our times. How many expected the Berlin Wall to fall so suddenly? For the USSR to vanish from the map, almost overnight?

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Kabir
28 days ago

Bangladesh was grateful to India for helping it to secede from Pakistan. However, rising Hindutva in India and propping up a dictator has turned Bangladeshi civil society against India. It is India that needs to introspect about why literally every country in South Asia (except maybe Bhutan) hates you

We will both be dead before things get better. If you refuse to even discuss Occupied Kashmir do not expect peace and love from Pakistan.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
28 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Peace doesn’t necessarily require love. The former is attainable, a lot more so than you think. We can of course, agree to disagree.

Kabir
28 days ago

Not going to happen. We are not going to give up on the Kashmir cause. For you to think we will is a pipe dream.

As long as the Hindu Right rules your country there will be no peace.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago

Mexico certainly isn’t going to ‘absorbed’ into the US,

But California could be absorbed into Mexico.
Maybe already de facto absorbed in all but name.

Just keep in mind much of California and Texas were part of Mexico. Remember the Alamo

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I’m…quite familiar with that history. 🙂

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago

Modern Apache mother and Son on the way to a Wedding

On Route 60 on the way to Soccoro New Mexico

I show this photo to Americans (all colors) and ask them to guess ethnicity. Everyone answers Mexicans or Illegal Immigrants.

apache-moter-and-son
RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

>The basic condition for peace is a resolution of the Kashmir Dispute in a way that is acceptable to the Kashmiri people and to Pakistan as well as to India.

Yeah I am going to disagree. Not everybody is as intransigent as you in insisting on only “muslims” can rule in J&K. Plenty who’d be fine with a non-religious democratic solution.

Kabir
1 month ago

The best solution on offer will always be the Musharraf-Manmohan plan. India will never get anything better from Pakistan.

You can restore statehood and Article 370. Annexing Kashmir and dividing into two union territories–the first time in Indian history that a state has been demoted to a union territory– is unacceptable.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Pipe dreams. What incentive does India have to offer any concessions to Pakistan?

Pakistan lost the opportunity to ‘take’ the Manmohan’ deal. And the fact that past deal is the ‘best’ that ‘patriots’ like you can hope for, shows the grim reality of the present.

Time is on India’s side. Just like with each generation, Pakistanis and Indians are ‘forgetting’ their united past, as time goes by, slowly the minority of disaffected Sunnis in the vale – their next generation will inevitably, inexorably get swept up into the Indian embrace. All that Pakistan can do, is inflict occasional bombs, cry and give annual speeches at the UN – while managing not to fall apart as a country.

Kabir
1 month ago

The borders are not going to change. India will never ever get AJK and GB.

If you want to keep the status quo going, you are more than welcome to it. Pakistan will never abandon the Kashmir cause. Kashmiri Muslims will never stop dreaming of Azaadi. Many Kashmiris see Omar Abdullah as a collaborator. In any case, Omar has almost no real power. He’s basically a glorified mayor at this point.

Are you seriously defending demoting a state into a union terrritory? I suspect you would be singing a different tune if the Indian government decided Maharashtra was going to be run from Delhi.

“while managing not to fall apart as a country– Yeah, you’re really a peacenik! That lasted less than 24 hours.

Pakistan is a nuclear power. You would be wise to remember that at all times.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
29 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Kashmiri Muslims have a TFR of 1.5. There won’t be any Kashmiri Muslims in 50-60 years lol.

It will be Bihari dominated.

Kabir
29 days ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

Breaking my rule of not responding to you but this is just egregious:

“There won’t be any Kashmiri Muslims in 50-60 years lol”– You do realize this sounds like you are advocating ethnic cleansing right?

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
29 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Not when they themselves are marrying late and not having kids.

The decline is similar to the decline of whites in the west – a natural decline.

The Kashmiri blue collar class is now completely Bihari.

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X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

as it is probably in every other Indian state?

RecoveringNewsJunkie
28 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

not quite, but ‘Bihari’ migrant workers are definitely all over the sub-continent. Of course Bihari is a catch-all that includes folks from Orissa, MP, Jharkhand etc. Also ‘guest’ Bangladeshis.

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago

yes it’s a huge demographic pulse

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Honey dripping in venom is a good way to describe BB- I removed his Author privileges. Need to curate more

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

and Muslims?

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
29 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

And Afghans will never stop dreaming of erasing the Durand Line.

Unlike Kashmiri Muslims, Afghans are more than 10x and their population numbers with a 4+ TFR is only growing while Kashmiri Muslims are declining in number.

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

bogus analysis

RecoveringNewsJunkie
29 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

>“while managing not to fall apart as a country– Yeah, you’re really a peacenik! That lasted less than 24 hours.

I am sorry, stating the obvious is somehow misconstrued as being….anti-peacenik? Pakistan is considered a fragile state by many a reasonable metric. I’m not sitting here making this up. *shrug*

>The borders are not going to change. India will never ever get AJK and GB.

I think the Shimla agreement demonstrates India’s willingness to ‘move on’ with the status quo. There really isn’t much of an issue with ‘accepting’ GB and mirpur etc as Pakistan…. Of course this is contingent on the Pakistani state officially accepting the status quo and ending its proxy violence permanently.

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Kabir
29 days ago

Pakistan is a nuclear power. We are not going to fall apart.

If you can unilaterally abrogate IWT, we can unilaterally abrogate Simla.

You will never ever get AJK and GB. The Muslims of those areas will never consent to being ruled by Hindus. Neither AJK nor GB have ever been part of the nation-state of India post August 1947.

You can only take those areas by force if you militarily defeat Pakistan. Once again–nuclear power.

I have consistently stated that Pakistan should not use terrorism as a means of proxy war.

But India also needs to stop supporting anti-Pakistan activities in KPK and Balochistan.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
28 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

80 years of Sheikhchilli-ian conflict has served Pakistani interests quite negatively. Continuing to tilt at windmills will ..result in more of the same. Its a choice. And unfortunately one that is not allowed to the teeming masses of the Pakistani awaam to make. But rammed down their throats by the military boots of the kleptocratic organization that controls their bankrupt garrison state.

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago

I don’t know about this analysis per se

RecoveringNewsJunkie
28 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I strongly believe that given a consistent policy shift towards peaceful co-existence – one that has buy-in from Pakistani leadership, apart from the loony fringe, ‘mainstream’ Pakistan would not at all be unhappy or overly reluctant to go along and support.

Don’t forget, the socioeconomic benefits from such a shift would be non-trivial and fairly immediate, and very visible.

Kabir
28 days ago

You need to introspect about Hindutva and Islamophobia in your country as well as the refusal to even discuss the Disputed Territory.

The current hatred between the two countries is not only Pakistan’s fault.

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago

Peace on whose terms?

RecoveringNewsJunkie
28 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

terms on what issue? Terrorism? Borders? “self-determination for Kashmiris”. The same for Pakistanis?

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago

I actually don’t know – my views are very much Akhand Bharat cum EU; from the Hindu Kush to the Indian Ocean.

But I can see Pakistanis will never cede ideological ground; it was kind of the mistake of Partition.

Right now there would have been 2bn Indians (who probably would have absorbed Afghanistan, Nepal & SL) had say there been more latitude in Indian identity

RecoveringNewsJunkie
28 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

There is unlikely to be any scope for any sort of undoing of partition. But there is no reason why a couple of generations from now, a USA-Canada situation can’t arise. Its well possible. As unrealistic as it seems today.

India itself allows for disparate identities at the sub-national level. There are immensely proud Telugus, Gujaratis, Punjabis, Tamilians etc. Nepali folks live and work in India.

The subcontinent may never unite under a single flag. But a cultural multi-ethnic multi-faith multi-lingual “Akhand Bharat” with strong socio-economic linkages is still on the table. (:

Kabir
28 days ago

You do realize the EU is made up entirely of Christian countries. Part of the reason why the EU didn’t want Turkey is that Turkey is Muslim-majority.

Given the the levels of Islamophobia currently present in India, this “multi-ethnic multi faith…” is not going to happen.

Not to mention that the EU could only happen after France and Germany settled the status of Alsace-Lorraine. India simply refuses to discuss Occupied Kashmir.

So this whole thing is a complete non-starter.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
27 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

so…. your contention is that because Islamophobia exists, Indian secular multi-faith multi-ethnic Republic is non-existent?

Reality …is different from your world view then. With or without Pakistani RW approval, desire, or consent – India already IS a multi-ethnic, multi-faith secular democracy. I understand that accepting Indian success on this front, is a … dharam sankat for Pakistani RW, especially when it comes to the 2 nation fallacy.

X.T.M
Admin
27 days ago

Personally India should Hinduise where it can. By Hindu I include Sikh, Buddhist, & indigenous Faith.

Bahá’í Faith in India is completely Hindufied. I suspect aspects of Chrstianity & Islam; Dharma = Pluralism + Tolerance

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
27 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Dharma = Pluralism + Tolerance

By definition Hinduism (and Judaism) do not have Pluralism or Tolerance. The Hindu concept of Dwija (twice born) excludes 50% of the population.
The concept of Gods Chosen in Judaism excludes non Jews

X.T.M
Admin
27 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I don’t know about that – surely that’s not doctrine per se?

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
27 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

“For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people of his own possession, out of all the nations that are on the face of the earth” (Deutronomy. 14:2).

Deuteronomy is the last Book in the Torah

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
27 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

It very explicitly isn’t. This is the problem when you have a prolific hostile voice claiming to define its ‘enemy’ while dismissing basic facts.

It gets …exhausting after a while. Tyranny of the intolerant minority is threatening to drown out this blog.

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RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
27 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Are you saying that non-Dharmic faiths in India can’t survive, or even thrive? Unless they ‘Hinduise’?

Hard disagree btw.

Kabir
27 days ago

That’s not what I was talking about. I am saying that because of the Islamophobia in India there is going to be no EU type solution with Pakistan.

I object very strenuously to being called RW. I am center-left. Don’t do that again.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago
sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 month ago

Waited a while to make this comment.

No one has clean hands, least of all India.

India TRAINED and FUNDED the LTTE terrorists.
Because of that Sri Lanka had 30 years of Civil war.

Just as much as bombs got dropped in the LTTE held territory suicide bombs (almost all women) were a regular occurrence in the South.
a) Many Political leaders were targeted, including Ethnic Tamils who were against separatism (eg Lakshman Kadirgamar a Charismatic Foreign Minister who could have been SL first ethnic Tamil President)

b) Suicide Attack on Central Bank

c) Suicide Attack on the only International Airport in Sri Lanka. Many Airlines stopped flying into SL. Big loss in Tourism (30% of Foreign Exchange)

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Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Absolutely. India doesn’t have clean hands.

Pakistan’s government has already said that yesterday’s terror attack in Islamabad is because of the Indian-Afghan nexus. I wouldn’t put it past India to want to encircle Pakistan on both our Western and Eastern borders. We will never allow that. Our national security is paramount. If Afghanistan wants to act like an Indian proxy, then they will get what is coming to them.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

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RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Do Pakistanis genuinely think they can simply attribute all that ails Pak-Afg relations on “Indian perfidy”? The Taliban have been deeply enmeshed with PakMil since their inception. If there was so much …collaboration between the Taliban and India, how the heck did that happen? Where is the accountability for 30+ years of investment that the Pakistani state has made in blood and treasure in pursuit of strategic depth?

I am continually mystified with the soft bigotry of low expectations that Pakistani elite impose on themselves. Allowing for military domination of their destiny to this extent. If the dastardly inferior Hindus can manage self-governance, why is that the only path for Pakistanis, is under the totalitarian military boot?

Kabir
1 month ago

The Taliban foreign minister was recently in Delhi and got a red carpet reception.

Pakistan’s national security is paramount. We cannot allow ourselves to be encircled by enemies on both the east and the west. Afghanistan is a sovereign nation. But if they want to behave as an Indian proxy, they will be dealt with by the far superior Pakistani military. We cannot and will not allow suicide attacks in Islamabad.

It is very ironic that the same Taliban that we helped bring back to power in 2021 (a decision that I do not agree with by the way) has now turned anti-Pakistan but that is the situation we find ourselves in. Anti-Pakistan behavior will never be tolerated.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Pakistani policy is as usual big on bluster but ends up in surrender and garlanding TTP warlords. Has happened multiple times in the past, let’s see how this iteration plays out.

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Kabir
1 month ago

We are not playing. A suicide attack in Islamabad changes the scenario entirely.

Pakistani national security is paramount. Just as India’s national security is paramount for India.

And unlike the LOC (which is internationally accepted as a ceasefire line), the Durand Line is an actual International Border–whether Afghanistan likes it or not.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
29 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Funny then that the LOC is way better guarded and fenced than the Durand line where the infiltrations are orders of magnitude bigger.

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

it’s not a comparable conflict

RecoveringNewsJunkie
28 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

It hasn’t been for decades. But if you look at the current state of affairs, the parallels are striking. Incredibly so.

Pakistan accuses its neighbor of ‘infiltrating’ violent groups, across a long and almost impossible to guard, terrain. Along a frontier that one side considers a border, while the other sees the people and land across it, as ‘their kin’.

This is an ironic ‘sequel reboot’ of J&K in the 1990s. But this time, the shoe is on the other foot.

Why would you say its not a ‘comparable conflict’? I am curious…

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago

what is the irredentist territory; KPK, Fata?

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
27 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Afghan policy with regards to the Durand line has been pretty consistent ever since Pakistan came into being.

Just like the Indian case on accession of J&K to India is legally strong but disputed by Pakistan, the Afghans don’t pay nearly as much heed to what the ‘international law’ says on the Durand line. That’s what defines international disputes, when the 2 sides disagree on the legal status of said ‘border’/frontier.

The schizophrenia of Pakistan insisting on enforcing de jure borders of partition in the west while disputing it in the east is visible to all, except RW Pakistanis of course.

Kabir
27 days ago

The entire world knows the LOC is a ceasefire line. This is why reputable organizations refer to “Indian ADMINISTERED” or “Indian CONTROLLED” Kashmir. I’m sorry but other than Indians, no one in their right mind believes Kashmir is part of India.

Kashmir is DISPUTED TERRITORY. It is subject to UN Resolutions.

The Durand Line is an International border. Afghanistan has no right to a single inch of Pakistani territory.

Someone who cannot tell the difference between a border and a ceasefire line is either being disingenuous or is actually not very intellectually capable.

Kabir
28 days ago

According to International Law the Durand Line is a border. The LOC is a ceasefire line.

The point is not about perceptions but about International Law.

Kabir
29 days ago

From Indosaurus’s Substack:

“The Delhi terror attack”
https://substack.com/home/post/p-178759591

X.T.M
Admin
28 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Indosaurus writes really well.

alack what people don’t understand is that the Internet is a crowded place; you need consolidated platforms to have ur voice hear.

Kabir
28 days ago

“Kashmiris under siege after Delhi blast”
https://azadessa.substack.com/p/kashmiris-under-siege-after-delhi?

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
27 days ago
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RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
27 days ago

https://latest.sundayguardianlive.com/investigation/pashtuns-plight-how-pak-foreign-policy-fuels-injustice-and-chaos

>Manzoor Pashteen, the brave face of the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM), has become a symbol of resistance against oppression. Yet, his path has been anything but safe. The recent surge in threats against him is a chilling reminder of the dangerous reality faced by those who dare to speak truth to power in Pakistan.

>These developments are part of a larger pattern. Pakistan’s establishment has long used counter-terrorism operations as a strategic tool, not to genuinely combat terrorism, but to secure international funding. This policy has turned the region into a chessboard where the lives of ordinary people are expendable. Such accusations are difficult to ignore when viewed in the context of the ongoing humanitarian crisis in North Waziristan.
The crisis in North Waziristan is a devastating example of how military operations often disregard the human cost. On September 26, 2024, the Pakistan Army launched artillery shelling in the region. Local activists reported a spike in diseases shortly after the bombardment, sparking concerns that chemical phosphorus may have been used. The toll on the local population and their livelihoods has been catastrophic. More than 25 cows and buffaloes were killed in Mir Ali as mortar fire targeted a livestock market, burning the animals alive. These attacks not only resulted in the loss of human lives but also destroyed the livelihoods of countless residents who rely on their livestock for survival.

Kabir
27 days ago

Whataboutary is not an argument.

XTM edit: I removed the insult; Kabir please don’t do that again.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
26 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

You’re really distinguishing yourself with the childish rude name-calling. But is anyone reading BP surprised at all? 🙂

X.T.M
Admin
26 days ago

I edited it- apologies

RecoveringNewsJunkie
26 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

none needed. Its not the first, or the last time. And I can filter out and disregard the noise, to a degree.

Kabir
26 days ago

The only compromise i can offer is for you to stay off my threads. I will stay off yours.

Unfortunately, we will have to deal with each other on other people’s threads.

Btw, your idiosyncratic method of comma use is very irritating.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
25 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

I don’t need anything ‘offered’ from you. It is abundantly clear that you are unable to conduct a discussion with civility when challenged. Its either bullying and deletion for you, or its hurling ad hominem insults. Utterly predictable. And an apt demonstration of your capabilities. Its the same old sur aur taal over and over again. That old chestnut of pipe, 7 years and canine cauda comes to mind.

Kabir
25 days ago

Going forward, do not bother to comment on any of my threads. Any comment from you will be summarily deleted–no matter what the content. I just do not like you and will not be bothering to deal with you.

As for my “capabilities”, you can Google my published scholarship. I have had a book published. The universities I have graduated from are there for all to see. The same cannot be said about you.

And at least I know the rules of proper comma usage. I refuse to waste any further time with someone who is clearly far below my intellectual caliber.

Unlike sbarrkum, I will not be getting into the mud with you. I’m just going to pretend you don’t exist. I find that is usually far more effective.

X.T.M
Admin
25 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Yes why can’t people just moderate their threads

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I am completely fine with that. I’m absolutely done dealing with “Recovering News Junkie” and Bombay Badshah.

Kabir
26 days ago

Let me rephrase this:

Someone who uses whataboutary as a type of argumentation is either not very intelligent or has never been taught to argue properly. I’m not sure which is worse.

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