Brown Pundits Is Not a Cesspit. Keep It That Way.

Brown Pundits exists to test ideas against evidence. That is not happening consistently. Four contributors have split into two camps. Threads are filling with video links and recycled assertions. Serious readers are leaving. This post explains what changes and why.

Effective immediately, all four authors have been moved to commentator status until each individually promises they can maintain the same standard in comments as in posts; high signal, evidence-based, no exceptions.

On genocide specifically

The 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide as acts committed with intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group in whole or in part. Intent is the operative legal threshold. It distinguishes genocide from massacre, ethnic cleansing, and war crime, which are each separately defined under international humanitarian law.

East Pakistan 1971 remains genuinely contested by serious scholars. The Bangladeshi government’s official figure is three million dead. Rounaq Jahan, one of Bangladesh’s foremost political scientists, documents systematic targeting of Hindus, Awami League supporters, and Bengali intellectuals from March 1971 onward. Gary Bass in The Blood Telegram draws on declassified US State Department cables, including Consul General Archer Blood’s April 1971 dissent memo signed by twenty officials, which described “selective genocide.” Sarmila Bose in Dead Reckoning argues the death toll and targeting evidence have been systematically overstated, putting Bengali militant killings of Bihari civilians into the same frame. The International Crimes Tribunal Bangladesh, established 2010, has issued genocide findings, though its proceedings have drawn criticism from Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International for due process shortcomings. This is not a settled question. It is an open scholarly debate with primary sources, body count disputes, and competing legal interpretations. That is exactly the kind of debate this blog should host. What it cannot host is one contributor simply declaring the definition closed because their nationality demands it.

The same rigour applies elsewhere. The ICJ in January 2024 issued provisional measures in South Africa v. Israel, finding plausible grounds under the Genocide Convention sufficient to order Israel to take measures to prevent genocidal acts. That is not a genocide finding. It is a threshold ruling that the case may proceed. The distinction matters and should be maintained in any serious discussion.

On Hindu-Muslim violence in India, the data exists and should be used. The Sachar Committee Report of 2006 documented Muslim underrepresentation across Indian public institutions: 2.5 percent of the Indian Administrative Service, 4 percent of the army, Muslim literacy and income figures consistently below national averages despite OBC and minority scheme provisions. The NCRB communal violence data shows 857 communal incidents recorded in 2017, dropping to 378 in 2022, though methodology and classification disputes make year-on-year comparison unreliable. Gujarat 2002 produced approximately 1,000 to 2,000 deaths by most independent estimates, with the Supreme Court-appointed Special Investigation Team in 2012 convicting 24 individuals including a former minister. These are the materials for argument. Not slogans.

On the blog’s condition

Comment sections that lose signal lose contributors. This is not conjecture. The original blogosphere collapse between 2008 and 2013 was driven substantially by comment quality deterioration as platforms scaled and moderation failed to keep pace, documented in detail by researchers including Yochai Benkler in The Wealth of Networks and subsequent work on online deliberation. Brown Pundits is small enough that the damage from a handful of bad-faith contributors is disproportionate. Four commentators generating circular, reinforcing exchanges crowd out the uncertain and curious reader who has no appetite for a pre-formed argument.

What changes

Posts require argument, not links. Comments on contested historical subjects require engagement with sources. Authorship here carries responsibility in comments as well as posts. Material that asserts without reasoning will be removed. This applies symmetrically: the same standard governs commentary on Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Israel regardless of which contributor is writing.

I have tried to make my own biases visible. I will continue to do so. Good faith is not weakness and moderation is not indifference. But a blog without standards is not a blog. It is a feed.

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sbarrkum
1 month ago

No sweat, if I cant post with Header Image I dont post.. Eventually I will leave.

same standard in comments as in posts; high signal, evidence-based

I dont see much evidence based posts in this iteration. Heck the only posts that draw comments are Pakistan India post or comments. And the comments are by the trolls such as RecoveringNewsJunkie and Bombay Bad shah.

Yes, for sure I respond to troll comments at their own level, which is the only language they understand.

Anyway I have been posting since 2018. Maybe even earlier and was on Sepia Mutiny as well though I did not post.

XTM you need to do a huge introspection as to what you are doing. There are no h”high signal” comments and I assume readers.

Have a look at this post in 2018. 64 Comments and no trolls. (dominated by AnAn)

The Philippines Genocide: 3 million Filipinos Killed
https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/05/03/the-philippines-genocide-3-million-filipinos-killed/

sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I don’t agree whatsoever that RNJ & BB are trolls in the slightest; in fact they churn out very good content.

Regardless Troll comments from them will get an equal response

Anyway I haven’t seen any real good data driven content from either of them. Personally I think they have issues with analyzing data too

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

One can contest the use of “troll”. What I think is clear is that both RNJ and BB have engaged in trollish behavior.

Both clearly have an anti-Pakistan agenda. Posts taking a gleeful tone about the possible breakup of Pakistan are nothing other than triggering to the only Pakistani on this forum. As similar gleeful posts about the breakup of India would be triggering to Indians.

BB in particular engages in personal trolling, calling me a “driver” and saying I’ve been “deported” from the US. There is no excuse for that.

Kabir
1 month ago

To clarify:

I am not trying to stop other people from using the word “genocide” to describe 1971. I’m only saying that as a Pakistani, I will never use this word.

Even if courts determine that Israel has conducted “genocide” in Gaza, there are plenty of Israelis who will never use that word.

Surely, I have the right to decide which words I will and will not use?

I do feel that the word is used repeatedly by certain commenters not because they are arguing in good faith but because they know that I–as a Pakistani– find it triggering. Same with “Nazis”, “kleptocracy” etc.

I very much agree with higher standards for comments and posts.

I agree with Sbarrkum that the only posts which really draw comments are Pakistan-India back and forth. And a lot of those comments are BB and RNJ vs. Kabir. Not necessarily a healthy dynamic.

My humble request would be please give Pakistan a break for a while. There are other topics in the world.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

You can enforce standards on your blog.

What you cannot do is change an individual’s mind. I will never ever use that word to describe actions of the Pakistani armed forces. Not going to happen.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

All you ever post are reviews of Indian books and Wire/Scroll articles about Indian issues.

Maybe you should be the one to give India a break for a while?

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

You are free not to read my book reviews. That’s totally fine.

If you look at my Substack, you will find that many of the books I review have nothing to do with South Asia. They are of works of Western literature. I have reviewed Balzac for example. I’ve reviewed “The Picture of Dorian Gray”.

I post reviews of Indian literature here because BP has a South Asian focus.

My academic specialty is Ethnomusicology, specifically Hindustani classical music. I used to post about that but I stopped since there really wasn’t much interest.

I’m happy not to post about India’s internal affairs if you also don’t post about Pakistan’s internal affairs. This very much includes Balochistan.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

So you are saying you are affected by my posting of Pakistan’s “internal issues”?

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

It’s not as if whatever anyone posts on BP changes the reality on the ground.

I’m just saying that your complaint about my posting “Wire” and “Scroll” articles about India’s internal issues would be on stronger ground if you also refrain from posting about Balochistan. Balochistan is not a Disputed Territory but unequivocally part of Pakistan.

We’ve both just promised to be “high signal” so I don’t want to belabor this point.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I agree with you in principle.

I’m only saying that people can’t be forced to use words they don’t want to use. For example, I consider Gujrarat 2002 a “Pogrom” but I can’t make other people use that word.

I don’t think there is a need to focus quite so much on Pakistan. There was a point a couple days ago where four of the most recent five posts were on Pakistan. This seems a bit disproportionate. But that’s just my opinion.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Pakistan is certainly interesting.

I don’t think it’s that important that it has to dominate the topics featured on the blog.

sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

wants to post as an author has to sign the “High Signal Low Noise” pledge for both posts & comments.

I for one will not be signing such a pledge.
Troll comments will get an equivalent response

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I think we’d all be better off ignoring the trolls rather than sinking to their level.

Easier said than done I know.

sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

We discuss whatever drives volume.

Thats basically you problem XTM.
Its like acquire wealth and have principles
Both are cross purposes.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I think there has to be balance. Of course, a blog that wants to grow readership needs to respond to what the readers want.

But at the same time, it can’t be so audience driven that it becomes disproportionately focused on one topic.

Kabir
1 month ago

Latest news regarding Pakistan:

“Armed forces strike 7 terrorist camps along Pakistan-Afghanistan border in response to recent suicide bombings”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1974894/armed-forces-strike-7-terrorist-camps-along-pakistan-afghanistan-border-in-response-to-recent-suicide-bombings

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago

Al Jazeera refers to suicide bombers in Pakistan as “fighters”.

Much wailing from Pakistanis.

https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/2025191570157207916

Pakistan should have known that playing security guard for Israel would have… consequences.

sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

Al Jazeera refers to suicide bombers in Pakistan as “fighters”.
No different from how the Indian Press referred to the Indian trained LTTE terrorists as freedom fighters. All changed after the LTTE killed Rajiv on Indian soil. Then the LTTE became terrorists

See Major Abhay Sapru on LTTE training in Chakarata 

Apparently Chakarata was established with the CIA and trained Tibetan terrorists among many others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLuzM7iHm8U

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

Once again, Pakistan has not committed any troops to Gaza.

But don’t let the facts stop you.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Doesn’t change the fact Qatar has soured on you.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago

I solemnly pledge all my posts and comments henceforth will be high signal.

Any trolling will be reported to X.T.M.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I will take this pledge as well.

Any personal attacks on me will be reported to X.T.M. As will gratuitously provocative language about Pakistan.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago

I’m going to be a bit blunt. I have not engaged in ‘trolling’ behavior, or ‘crossed the line’ in terms of civility, especially given repeated personal attacks and provocations.

I am totally fine with not being a contributor on here. I volunteered to do so, because I have some fondness for this site. But if my comments and contributions are seen negatively, I can happily not invest my energy and time.

Good luck with the site.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago

@X.T.M – Yeah, don’t think RNJ should be lumped in this category. Me, Kabir and sbakarrum do troll and me and sbkarrum do get dirty as well. But RNJ never has.

sbarrkum
1 month ago

I’m going to be a bit blunt. I have not engaged in ‘trolling’ behavior

You did specially about my posts of dark women.
You seemed to have a problem of posts of dark “indic” women.
Then I pointed out that is affirmative action in the US and you kept quiet.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I was doing you a favor by informing you that you are coming across as a bit creepy. That’s not trolling. You seriously lack self-awareness on this issue.

sbarrkum
1 month ago

Your opinion of creepiness was very apparent of racism.
I think you have no self awareness of racism even though you live in the US. Probably because you mainly move in “desi” circles in your own words.

Kabir
1 month ago

I don’t want to belabor this point but you clearly lack the ability to introspect.

You used the word “taqqiya” towards a Muslim. That’s absolutely unforgivable.

You used the phrase “hate boner” towards Sbarrkum. That’s crude and sexualized.

You have repeatedly mocked my center left credentials.

You have repeatedly referred to my Field Marshal as “Failed Marshal”. That’s not funny and offensive.

All of these are examples of trollish behavior.

sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Thanks Kabir
I had forgotten the “rage boner” comment.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

That phrase is so incredibly offensive. There is no place for sexualized language in the public sphere.

I may not always agree with you (which is fine) but I definitely feel you are “public enemy number two” on this blog.

I’ve got your back.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Like Sri Lanka and Pakistan teaming up to defeat India in Asia Cup but both getting beaten badly.

Last ODI AC
Ind 2 – Pak 0
Ind 2 – SL 0

Last T20 AC
Ind 3 – Pak 0
Ind 1 – SL 0

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

@XTM: This is not “high signal”.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

This comment is basically about finding an excuse to trash Sri Lanka and Pakistan because of his personal feelings about me and Sbarr.

It’s fine. It’s not that important.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I don’t really care about cricket one way or the other.

I feel the point is much more about the intention behind the comment. It was intended as a dig against Pakistan and Sri Lanka. That’s not “high signal”.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Thanks, sirji.

sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

@XTM: This is not “high signal”.

As usual badShah trying to troll, two birds with one stone
I dont care about Cricket and you Kabir too, I think

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Where did I say you did?

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I wasn’t talking about you specifically.

You will have to admit that the commentariat really hates me because I am Pakistani (and Muslim). They hate sbarr because he’s Sri Lankan and I guess raised Christian.

I feel that the camps on BP are very much determined by national origin. Maybe not always but generally.

Kabir
1 month ago

I just briefly want to say that I kind of miss Indosauraus and Nivedita. I may have sparred with both of them many times but neither of them can remotely be called “trolls”.

I did take offense to being called an “Islamist”. I think both of them did this a couple of times. That remains a red line for me.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I used to think Indosaurus was bad but then RNJ came along.

It’s all relative 🙂

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I’m talking specifically about their behavior towards me.

Indo at least didn’t constantly go on about “kleptocracy”, “Nazis” and “genocide”.

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