Homebound with Ishaan Khatter

Last night Dr. Lalchand & I watched Homebound, Indiaโ€™s submission to the Oscars, at Apple Cinemas in Cambridge, Mass. This sad film follows a Dalit (Chandan Kumar) and a Muslim (Mohammed Shoaib Ali) struggling against the odds during the pandemic, their solidarity fictionalized as a fragile bridge across Indiaโ€™s deepest divides.

On the surface, it is a familiar story: the disenfranchised facing systemic barriers. But what struck me was how privilege itself performed disenfranchisement. Ishaan Khatter, brother to Shahid Kapoor, plays the marginalized Muslim. Janhvi Kapoor, descended from Bollywood royalty, embodies a Dalit woman. Vishal Jethwa, a bright-eyed Gujarati, portrays the Bhojpuri Dalit lead. This is not unique to India; Hollywood, too, casts elites as workers. Yet it raises the question: when poverty is performed rather than lived, is it โ€œDalit-washingโ€?


Poverty, Emotion, and Representation

Watching the film, I reflected on povertyโ€™s emotional landscape. For elites, emotions can be expansive, indulgent, aestheticized into art. For the working poor, emotions are often constrained by survival โ€” narrowed into necessity. Homebound tried to humanize its characters, but I wondered whether it romanticized what in practice is a relentless narrowing of possibility.

The West rewards this narrative. Parasite in Korea, Iranian cinema, Slumdog Millionaire โ€” poverty & Global South tribulations as spectacle becomes โ€œpoverty porn.โ€ The Guardian gave Homebound four stars. Great art often tilts melancholic, yes, but here the melancholia is curated for Western consumption.


Identity, Vectors, and Islamicate Selfhood

More unexpectedly, the film stirred something personal. I realized how much I have vacated my own Islamic identity. It was not traumatic. As a Bahรกโ€™รญ with Persian cultural roots, I found overlap โ€” even comfort โ€” in Hindu traditions. Dalits, in their rapid Hinduization, represent one vector of assimilation; Muslims and scheduled-caste Muslims, often in tension, another. Homebound imagines solidarity, but in life these vectors pull unequally.

In India, I often pass for Sindhi or Punjabi, sometimes Parsi, occasionally โ€œslightly offโ€ but rarely judged. My social vectors now align with upper-caste Hindus. In another context โ€” say, China โ€” elite vectors might be Han. Everywhere, societies assimilate through dominant pathways: white vectors in the West, caste in India, Han in China. Identity is not fixed; it is channeled.


Kabirification and the Streisand Effect

Kabir is our Streisand Effect. Barbara Streisandโ€™s lawsuit over an aerial photo turned obscurity into virality. Similarly, whenever Kabir announces his resignation from the Commentariat and then dramatically returns, BP’s comment boards surges with new life. Kabir is simply catnip for the Commentariat.

In the days of Qureshi, unabashed nationalist and Hinduphobe, ย Kabir appeared moderate. After Qureshiโ€™s departure, Kabir occupied the nationalist edge. When Kabir himself retreats, the burden of contextualizing Pakistan falls to me. The spectrum shifts with every absence.

BPโ€™s health is not measured in page views alone (2,000 unique readers daily). It is measured in the vitality of the Commentariat. A dozen active voices outweigh hundreds of silent ones. Kabir, for better or worse, ensures Indo-Pak remains our gravitational center. The result is a virtuous/vicious cycle: more comments, more views, more posts. BP relives the Asian Cup endlessly, where point-scoring itself becomes the sport.


Pakistan, India, and the Cost of Narrative

Consider Pahalgam. Where is the evidence that Pakistan was directly involved? Unlike Balakot, where Islamabad was genuinely caught off-guard, here India did not pursue a rigorous process. That lapse has cost Delhi. Pakistan read the ambiguity and exploited it. Modi is constrained by public opinion. Trump, meanwhile, seems intent on exacting his revenge on India, further complicating the picture.

This is narrative as realpolitik: India faltered, Pakistan capitalized.


Closing Reflection

Between Homebound and Brown Pundits, cinema and commentariat, the thread is the same: how narratives shape reality. Films dramatize caste and religion through privilege masquerading as disenfranchisement. Commentators dramatize national rivalries, keeping Indo-Pak at the center. Both generate energy, attention, and life; sometimes authentic, sometimes stylized.

I do not intend to resolve these threads into one neat conclusion. They are fragments of an ongoing conversation: in my journal, on BP, in my newsletter, and even in yoga practice. What I know is this: Brown Pundits remains alive because disagreement remains alive. Kabir irritates, Kabir polarizes โ€” but Kabirification, like the Streisand Effect, proves that attention flows where conflict sharpens.

And conflict, at least here, remains a source of life.

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Daves
Daves
2 months ago

“Evidence for Pahalgam” is a shaky fig leaf. There is a consistent 30+ year historical track record. The framing itself is wrong – at this point, the more correct question is where is the evidence that it isn’t Pakistan’s doing.

Pahalgam didn’t take place in isolation. Nor were its victims chosen at random. All this pseudo-innocent questioning for evidence is incredibly triggering to – I would wager, a billion+ Indians – on the subcontinent and beyond. Because we have all suffered. Over and over, and over. From the murderous attacks unleashed from Pakistan all over India. And there is a fudge-ton of evidence for every single one of them. To somehow pretend that Pahalgam isn’t yet another one of those, but somehow a mysterious ‘unknown’, is …silly. And I’m being incredibly polite here.

I empathize with you trying to be analytical about things, and ‘even-handed’. But ‘both sides-ing’ is a slippery slope and one that requires some consideration.

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Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Very quickly.

TRF claimed the attack on the first day (that this is an LET offshoot is well established)

There is a wealth of evidence linking the attack to Pakistan origins, including but not exclusive to … communication equipment recovered and the calls made on it, money, IDs, food wrappers recovered.

The terrorists themselves and the identified mastermind Sajid Saifullah Jutt(LET).

The trouble with evidence gathering is that the chain of custody for all this will be within the Indian forces. How trustworthy they are and how verifiable any of this information is will vary upon your personal bias.

How is an external investigation to be conducted? Does any self-respecting country accept 3rd party investigations? Did the US after 9-11, Spain after Madrid bombings, UK after London bombings?

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Who is the “world”? Who does India really need to convince about this?

The Americans I’m going to assume have pretty decent intel. The Chinese supplied the Huawei coms, relayed via Chinese satellites.

Almost all foreign news agencies are pretty open about their support for RG & the Congress party. Western NGO’s are riddled with intel agents running regime change ops in the subcontinent. Who are you going to give the scoop to? What happens if the intel was rushed and inaccurate? Can you trust the media org to fix it for you?

We can keyboard 2nd guess all we like but in the information game we only really see what is under the spotlight.

Recently the NYTimes carried a story about US Frogmen gunning down and sinking a North Korean fishing boat because they were spotted on a mission trying to plant a bug just prior to Trumps first term meeting with Kim.
Think about that. Think about any repercussion, outrage, reprimand, even additional coverage over the story. This is the world we live in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/us/navy-seal-north-korea-trump-2019.html

That’s not to say that India is good at PR, on the contrary it seems to be quite hopeless at it, a very longstanding problem which needs desperate attention.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I think its easier to find flaws in Indian PR in retrospect. The reality is that the story involving the potential efficacy of chinese missiles vs Rafale, was simply a lot juicier to report on, instead of the same old brown terrrorists murdering brown folks, and a brown nation retaliating.

I think the traction that news coverage gets is driven more by the interests and biases of its paying audience, not nearly as much by the respective ‘PR’ deployed by either India or Pak.

I would argue that the folks in western governments (and media elites as well) are well aware of the decades long Pakistani terrorism against India. And they don’t care as much Indians would. Never have. It is what it is.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Playing foreign policy footsie with Trump is a separate thing from Pahalgam. In fact, I would argue that Pakistan’s culpability made it even more vulnerable than it previously was, to further isolation, which is what made the Donald’s eyes gleam with greed at the possibilities of extracting ‘more’ in return for some sort of public redemption.

But then again, all of this is reading tea leaves. None of us is privy to the actual negotiations and realistically speaking, we are yet to see major lasting benefits accrue to Pakistan – beyond a couple of quick meetings at the white house.

To throw a cliched SRK quote – Picture abhi baaki hai, mere dost.

Edit: Wanted to add, its a bit… facetious to talk about the law – discussions here on the comment threads aren’t a judiciary process. Let’s be honest enough to call a spade a spade. Instead of hiding behind such obfuscations.

Last edited 2 months ago by RecoveringNewsJunkie
Bombay Badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

And I believe what Donald wanted in return is here.

Pakistan will probably be part of a post war coalition providing security to Gaza while also recognizing Israel.

Let’s see how Pak awaam takes it.

India screwed Pakistan so bad during Operation Sindoor Pakistanis realized they had no option but to be a US stooge but that has its price.

sbarrkum
2 months ago

Dalits, in their rapid Hinduization, represent one vector of assimilation

I hope you realize Dalits are not Hindus. They are outcast’s of the Hindu Caste System

Hinduism with its Varana Dharma is as Racist at Zionist Judaism and its “Gods Chosen”, The three Hindu Upper castes are the Twice Born, i.e. the Chosen ones.

Read Ambedkarand his rejection of Hinduism and Mahatma Gandh

Why Ambedkar rejected Gandhiโ€™s idea of Dalit emancipationHe rebuffed Gandhiโ€™s Harijan Sevak Sangh, viewing it as a paternalistic tool that reinforced caste Hindu dominance rather than empowering Dalits.
https://frontline.thehindu.com/books/ambedkar-gandhi-idea-dalit-untouchable-emancipation-harijan-sevak-sangh-caste-annihilation/article68709313.ece

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Not according to Ambedkar and by being outside the caste system means they are not accepted as Hindus

Many during Ambedkars time *including( Amedkar converted to Buddhism.

Read the article I linked

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

When you have texts like this casteism cannot be eradicated despite secular laws*

Even in the US with all its laws, Racism exist, specially against African Americans. Ask African American who is a good friend. Do you have close friends who are African American ?

https://velivada.com/2017/05/31/casteist-quotes-verses-manusmriti-law-book-hindus/

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

The ‘manusmriti’ is not a text that can be compared to the Bible/Koran etc. I’d wager that most practicing hindus may not even have heard of the text. The Gita/Puran/Vedas etc are the ones that ‘matter’. And there are many ‘quotes’ that can be cited to claim the exact opposite.

You my friend, have an axe to grind. This isn’t a honest discussion at that point.

Dandin
Dandin
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Hereโ€™s a perspective of a Dalit you (or I) generally donโ€™t hear: https://americankahani.com/perspectives/ive-never-been-discriminated-in-india-or-america-a-bahujans-professionals-take-on-seattles-historic-caste-resolution/

Though it would be easy to assume the area was probably filled with families from castes like ours, the truth was we were surrounded by people of all linguistic, social, and occupational backgrounds, be they teachers, small business owners, or other daily wage workers. We all lived harmoniously, helping one another when needed, bemoaning the difficulties of barely making ends meet, and celebrating festivals and special occasions together. Not once did we experience any sort of ostracization based on our caste. 

He identifies as Hindu.

Being poor/historically disadvantaged correlates with Dalit identity, but that doesnโ€™t preclude Hindu self-identification.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Dandin

Easy be Hindu when in US .
As you know many during Ambedkars time *including( Amedkar converted to Buddhism.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Its notable that as a self-identified non-hindu you find it easy to throw around assertions about it without any definitive evidence.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

I gave an article written about Ambedkar. I guess you did not read it.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

we can play dueling articles till the Elephants come home. I am not going to waste my time arguing against bigoted agendas. I could always ‘play’ with Kabir if I really wanted to.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

The bigot (and Racist) agenda is Hindusim and its laws of Manu.

eg A Brahman may compel a Shudra, whether bought or unbought, to do servile work for he is created by the creator to be the slave of a Brahmana.

My ancestors were Hindu and proud Shudras. Thank goodness Sri Lanka does not have Brahamins and the other twice born castes.

Below is a photo of my fathers cousin from around the 1930’s. A lawyer.

A Sudra in a Suit

barrkumar_kunam_1938
Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I am fairly certain that you wouldn’t feel as comfortable in slandering a present-day American and accuse them of being slave-owners simply because his ancestors were guilty of it.

Thats your bigotry. Own it. For an educated person, its not too difficult to avoid allowing your prejudices to override your intellect. But it does require honest effort.

Now I understand that with age, it gets increasingly harder to… resist habitual thought patterns. But with all due respect, if a comment walks like a bigot, talks like a bigot, it needs to be called out as such.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

slandering a present-day American and accuse them of being slave-owners simply because his ancestors were guilty of it

My long time partner is Irish American and admits to her ancestors having slaves. Not slander and facts are stubborn.

One time she was going on an on and apologetic about her ancestors being slave owner. I had had a few and told her she could be my biatch to atone. She replied before she did that she would make me her slave.

Photo below from 2007
The white woman and son is my long time partner.
The African American I consider to be my family and have known the mother )and husband not in photo) since Grad school and the children since they were born.

Pensysvania-Camping
Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

whatever is your point in this personal rambling and unnecessary sharing of your pillowtalk?

Did you call your partner a slaveholder? Did you assert that all present day Irish or Irish Americans are slaveholders? No you did not. You had the maturity and honesty to treat it as something from the past. Not so when you are …”discussing” hinduism. Therein lies your overt bigotry.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

Here is link from the Sri Lankan Tamils
Hindus mainly

Narayanamma and 800,000 other toilet cleaners are on the lowest rung of the caste system in India. They are despised by everyone. They experience absolute exclusion from the cradle to the grave.

They are the other face of India; the one that nobody likes to see. It is in sharp contrast to the progressive, technological, we-have-the-bomb-and-are-no longer-the-Third-World face.

Chennai railway, station says it all. It has a hot spot for laptops to download mail, mobile phone chargers, international food counters offering burgers, chocolate mousse and chow mein next to hot dosas and chicken tikka. Yet, a few metres away, sweeper women clean shit in the most primitive manner possible, lifting it out of the railway track with a stick, broom and pieces of tin. Why does this unacceptable, utterly obscene dichotomy exist. Because hardly anyone wants it to change.

Caste permeates every pore of Indian society in hidden, insidious ways. It is so complex, few Indians begin to understand it completely, although it is present in our lives in subtle and not-so subtle ways. Even though the caste hierarchy is a Hindu construct, conversion does not always help: Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs and Muslims often still cling to their caste identities when searching for marriage partners.

https://tamilnation.org/caste/

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

you are quick to tout your ‘lived experience’ when it comes to your views. As if having one ‘African American’ friend somehow makes you an expert on American race relations.

And yet you repeatedly dismiss the perspective of others and their personal experiences, and insist on your outsider’s view as ‘more valid’.

You are continuing to make an excellent demonstration of your prejudices.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

I lived in Harlem and the South Bronx and have many friends there,

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

This is pretty appalling. What you do at home is no concern to any of us, but keep this site clean.

Very specifically the language in that comment is atrocious.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Too bad, I am open about what I do and my life. I have associated with many different kinds of people and races. I am able to talk to a street cleaner as well as an academic..

Above was a reply to
“you wouldnโ€™t feel as comfortable in slandering a present-day American and accuse them of being slave-owners simply”

Indosaraus you live in Japan. I lived in the US and four letter words are used all the time.

no concern to any of us, but keep this site clean

I am a low caste Sudra and associate ghetto. So I behave like one. You want clean, restrict the site to Upper caste Indo Aryans.

Indosaurus
Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Don’t care for all that, no ghetto here pls. Same message to anyone on the site.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Donโ€™t care for all that, no ghetto here pls. Same message to anyone on the site

If you dont like it you can kick me out,
I dont like high caste types talking down to me.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

yet again, you wield caste as a weapon in a disagreement that has nothing to do with it.

How do you presume to know what “caste” Indosaurus belongs to?

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

Racist and casteist Indians need to be called out.

Indosaurus
Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I can tell you with some degree of confidence that your assumptions about the commentariat are quite wrong.
Anyway, feel free to voice your opinions on caste, race, etc, no issues. Boasting of drunk domestic insults though, pls keep it offsite.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Try talking like this in the US today and you will get slapped – verbally or otherwise.

You are an old tired uncle proudly living in the boonies, increasingly cut off from reality, and proudly pontificating on your prejudices.

I don’t care for censorship, but I will exercise the right to respond and call out bigotry when I see it.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

Try talking like this in the US today and you will get slapped โ€“ verbally or otherwise.

This tired old uncle has seen more street action than you.

All I can see are racist cowards who condone genocide and ethnic cleansing

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

more accusations without any basis. I challenge you to back this up. Or retract it and apologize.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

She is of English and Irish Ancestry. The ones called Lace Irish who emigrated before the Irish Famine

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Catholic, but not a church goer
A very English sounding Surname

Like the FizGerald’s of Ireland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FitzGerald_dynasty

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sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Why Ambedkar rejected Gandhiโ€™s idea of Dalit emancipationHe rebuffed Gandhiโ€™s Harijan Sevak Sangh, viewing it as a paternalistic tool that reinforced caste Hindu dominance rather than empowering Dalits.

https://frontline.thehindu.com/books/ambedkar-gandhi-idea-dalit-untouchable-emancipation-harijan-sevak-sangh-caste-annihilation/article68709313.ece

Dandin
Dandin
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

My model is:

  • This racial theory of caste is a 19th century construct. Europeans projected their own preoccupations with purity of blood onto Indian society, conflating it with indigenous concepts of ritual purity. They created the “light-skinned Aryan vs dark indigenous” narrative.
  • The varna system, with its “twice-born” categories, was a theoretical model that often had little bearing on the practical realities of social hierarchy. Local social groups, known as jati, were the effective units of social organization and were based on occupation, kinship, and political power, not just a four-part religious schema.
  • This hierarchy was enforced by political and economic power, often by kings and local dominant groups, regardless of their religious affiliation. 
  • The landed castes always held power everywhere and could enforce it: the Vellalas in Tamil Country, the Nairs, the Reddys, Naidus and Kammas in Telugu (and Tamil) country, the Deshastas and Marathas in the Deccan. And so on.

Ambedkar developed his ideas within the colonial context, engaging with its institutions and intellectual current. Valid for its context, but not timeless truth.

Check this book out: https://brill.com/display/title/23788?language=en&srsltid=AfmBOopm7-sK8ZHf6tXwLvlRA3EuqfjIAKcqVuZphDoGqBtZkv490Mp1

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  Dandin

Just want to point out all those South Indian castes are Shudras, politically very dominant and tend to be far more caste obsessed (voting patterns) than other upper castes in the region.

They also have traditionally been panchayat heads, village heads and in many cases spawned royal dynasties.

I covered some of this here. Also scripture is a pretty bad source for reality as it is very Brahmin pov (& propaganda) at the time.

https://www.brownpundits.com/2025/08/24/on-hindutva-the-good-and-the-bad-and-the-ugly/

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

all those South Indian castes are Shudras, politically very dominant and tend to be far more caste obsessed than other upper castes in the region.

In South India (Tamil Nadu) there are the Brahmins and the rest are all Shudra.

In Sri Lanka no Brahmins, every one is some kind of Shudra.
Sri Lanka is what it was like before the Aryan migration occurred (Brahmins did not cross the sea)

If you are really interested read Caste in Tamil culture : the religious foundations of sudra domination in Tamil Sri Lanka by Pfaffenberger, Bryan
I think this some excerpts from that book (I have the book)
https://tamilnation.org/books/caste/bryan.

Indosaurus
Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Excellent. This means that your whole lower caste Shudra shtick is completely false. All that “Shudra in a suit” about your grandfather is meaningless. When a caste is dominant within a region they have no barriers, they are placed in primary position in temple rituals as they are the patrons – the Upper caste.

You are picking the worst Brahmin texts (which were written mainly for their own edification and never practiced in South India/Sri Lanka) and projecting them on your society and yourself to create a sense of victimhood which does not exist.
The whole premise is a fantasy in some sort of perverse attempt to align yourself with marginalised races.

Given all the personal history you keep sharing it becomes manifestly obvious that neither you, nor your ancestors have faced caste discrimination. Balance of probability I would guess the opposite.

Caste is a pretty horrifying and regressive practice, as with every other man made horror, honesty is paramount. Revisionism and false victimhood both dilute and denigrate.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

manifestly obvious that neither you, nor your ancestors have faced caste discrimination.

Quite so, very privileged I would add.
However, by early 1800’s had converted to Christianity. This was to consolidate their position and retain power/administrative rights under the British. As such they were above “in temple rituals”

Unlike in India, in Ceylon one had to be Protestant Christian to hold top Administration Position.(no Catholics the big in Numbers) My grandfathers Eldest brother was the next in power after the English Governor. My Grandfather in the Eastern Province.

No different in how politicians shift parties to be in power.

You are picking the worst Brahmin texts (which were written mainly for their own edification and never practiced in South India/Sri Lanka)

Somewhat practiced in South India. Not in Sri Lanka.
I am glad you see that the Indo Aryan shoe does not fit all. I use the term Shudra sarcastically as that is how Indo Aryans refer to us stupid darkies, the original people of the South Asia. Starts in the Rg Veda where is refers to the “dark thieving Dasas”

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Yes the Tamil side.

I’ll write about my “Sinhalese” side tomorrow

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Once the mendacity is exposed it is claimed to be “sarcasm”. I’ve seen this cop out very recently.

Now you claim to be the Dasa/Daysu of the Rig Veda, some 4-5000 year old text subject to heavy misinterpretation. Dasa, even to this day just means subject, the Vedic gods are the Divya-dasa of Indra. There is no disparaging reference to skin colour. Conversely dark skin was considered beautiful, both Draupadi and Vasudeva are epitome’s of beauty called Krishna for their dark skin.
Vishnu and Shiva, the most worshipped deities are dark skinned.
Ajanta caves are full of very dark skinned Apsaras.

This whole Aryan invasion theory was super convenient for the europeans and fired up the Nazi imagination with all that fair skin, blond hair, blue eyed nonsense. It was a tool to legitimize colonialism in India and it is only now that we have started to exit it. We know this is false now (I have written about this before – Indus valley is indigenous and did not have an invasion collapse). Try to decolonize your mind and not lash out at a country and a people who have a shared history and culture.

The entire subcontinent is stuck with this colourism idiocy, but at least we know where to assign blame for it.

Also South Indian civ is ancient too, contemporary or younger than IVC, but urban and possibly the origin of the Iron Age.
Does the balance of probability suggest that a Bronze age civ treats an Iron age civ as lesser? Maybe there is a very good reason why every later age important Hindu god is dark as the night.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyq443xypjo

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62e36jm4jro

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Dasa, even to this day just means subject,
Means servant. eg BuddaDasa. Servant of the Buddha. The Dasa suffix is quite common in Sri Lanka

There is no disparaging reference to skin colour.

I stand by “the killed the dark thieving dasa”
I looked it up in Rg Veda when in the Uni in US

not lash out at a country and a people who have a shared history and culture.
Maybe you dont know any Non Brahmin Indian Tamil. They are a bigger critics of the Indo Aryan hegemony

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

That theiving dasa who is being killed is Vritra the serpent, stealing the rain and bringing drought, dasa is any subject of Indra in the Rig veda or any king later. You don’t know anything about me so stop making wrong assumptions.
Also I am ending this here. There is no point really, I don’t have any conviction that your views will change. At least you can stop playing the caste card as you accept it is false.

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Yes, it’s also quite annoying to see the revisionists happily interpret scripture to their needs and justify the caste riddled society we are left with as some sort of degraded utopia of the Kaliyuga. Both the victim and oppressor narratives reinforce casteism. We need both honesty about the past and a vision for the future.

FYI, chatgpt seems to be quite excellent at the Vedas –

ni vแน›traแนƒ ล›ayฤnam arแน‡a ฤpa ฤhan tvacฤ |
nฤซcฤ yรกd asya kแน›แนฃแน‡ayฤ dฤsasya bhลซry arแน‡avaแธฅ ||

โ€œWhen, Indra, thou hadst slain the Dฤsa Vแน›tra, who lay there like a darkling serpent on the mountain,
Thou sentest downward flowing to the ocean the waters that the serpent had encompassed.โ€

brown
brown
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

there is an interesting blog named ” manasa tarangini” obviously anchored by a tam bram. broadly, he doesn’t dismisses a i t / a m t. it looks like he says that ” yes, we invaded and you guys lost”. there is no false humbleness etc.

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  brown

Most new discovery (over the past 40 years or so) completely negates a.i.t. The trouble is it was drilled in so much that when the genetics came out it was viewed heavily through that prism.

Civilizationally A.I.T doesn’t make much sense. The Ghaggar Hakra = Saraswati completely negates A.I.T and the Iron age starting in TN is the death nail to the theory.

Tam brams come in all ideological bents. Some amount of reaction to the anti brahmin movement of Periyar (now lionized and deified by the DMK) will result in desperate clinging onto A.I.T as something to take pride in. Tam bram genetics are heavily IVC skewed anyway, feel free to suggest that he get tested.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
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Christians in SL are the new โ€œBrahminsโ€ arenโ€™t they?

Were is the correct tense
There are Protestant Christian and Catholics.
Catholics by far are the big majority but not much Political Clout or wealth (about 10% of Population).

Almost all PM’s and Presidents till about 1990 were born in a particular sect of Christianity, Anglican (Church of England)..

By the time they were politicians, they professed to be Buddhists. Public display of attending Buddhist Temple ceremonies and getting on your knees in front of Buddhist Priests does the trick.

You cannot identify Christians or Buddhists by name in general. eg. Lakshman Kadirgamar (Tamil) was a third gen Anglican. As foreign minister responsible for getting the LTTE designated as a terrorist org. Got assassinated for his efforts.

Anyway there is no anti Christian sentiment. There is Strong , anti Evangelical sentiment, including from the Catholics. All about money, steals the faithful and their donation to temple or church.

Lashman Kadirgamar at Oxford Union
Oxford was the Icing on the Cake, the Cake was baked in SL

https://youtu.be/yPcWTkMq4ns

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Buddhist temples do not keep a record of who is a Buddhist. i.e. Birth, Deaths.and Marriages
In fact Buddhist Priests are not welcome at Births or Marriages, considered unlucky

Christians (and Muslims) do keep a record of Births and Marriages. Gives them them the right to be.buried in a Christian Cemetery

I gather (some) Hindus have their names recorded in the local temple and maybe caste. Vaguely recall Kamala Harris mother Shyamala Gopalan being verified

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Dandin

Whay dont to go to core Hindu Texts.like the Manusmriti

Later scholars shifted the chronology of the text to between the 1st or 2nd century CE] Olivelle adds that numismatic evidence and the mention of gold coins as a fine suggest the text may date to the 2nd or 3rd century CE.[14] However, the majority of scholars agree that it was composed sometime between 200 BCE and 200 CE

Racist texts from the Manusmriti
https://velivada.com/2017/05/31/casteist-quotes-verses-manusmriti-law-book-hindus/

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I am not at all for censorship, but this sort of dishonest insistence on manusmriti as ‘core text’ is just….a waste of time and utter baqwaas.

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

There is a saying…. throw a stone in the gutter.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

The gutter is overflowing though. And at times, it needs to be challenged.

Dandin
Dandin
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

What’s a “core Hindu text”? Religious practice is defined by devotional canons, not legal treatises. For the Sri Vaishnavas, it’s the Divya Prabandham. For the Tamil Saivas, it’s Tevaram (my father read Tiruvasagam every day). For Virasaivas, it’s the vachanas of Allama Prabhu or Basavanna. Narayaniyam is probably the single most important devotional text for Kerala Hindus (or used to be). The essential text of UP/Bihar is Tulsidas’ Ramcharitmanas.

Manusmriti is wielded as both proof of Hindu orthodoxy and a whip to erase this diversity. It’s neither.

If you want to understand jati and caste, look at local land records, revenue settlements, and political arrangements. Not a prescriptive text most communities never followed.

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sbarrkum
2 months ago
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itโ€™s Tevaram (my father read Tiruvasagam every day).

Tevaram is pretty recent, 7 AD
The Tevaram volumes contain the works of the three most prominent Shaiva Tamil saints of the 7th and 8th centuries: Sambandar, Appar, and Sundarar.

All you have to do is walk around in and you will see caste in action.

Narayanamma and 800,000 other toilet cleaners are on the lowest rung of the caste system in India. They are despised by everyone. They experience absolute exclusion from the cradle to the grave.

They are the other face of India; the one that nobody likes to see. It is in sharp contrast to the progressive, technological, we-have-the-bomb-and-are-no longer-the-Third-World face.

Chennai railway, station says it all. It has a hot spot for laptops to download mail, mobile phone chargers, international food counters offering burgers, chocolate mousse and chow mein next to hot dosas and chicken tikka. Yet, a few metres away, sweeper women clean shit in the most primitive manner possible, lifting it out of the railway track with a stick, broom and pieces of tin. Why does this unacceptable, utterly obscene dichotomy exist. Because hardly anyone wants it to change.

Caste permeates every pore of Indian society in hidden, insidious ways. It is so complex, few Indians begin to understand it completely, although it is present in our lives in subtle and not-so subtle ways. Even though the caste hierarchy is a Hindu construct, conversion does not always help: Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs and Muslims often still cling to their caste identities when searching for marriage partners…

Caste & the Tamil Nation – Dalits, Brahmins & Non Brahmins
https://tamilnation.org/caste/

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

The commenter talk like there no caste in India.
I doubt they or their parents would allow street cleaners into their house or let alone allow them eat from the utensils they use

My mother and her parents did, because they had converted to being Evangelical Christians.

I was sent to a Sunday School which was attended by fisher folk children. Those who lived in huts in the beach. I and my sisters had to kiss all the children when the Sunday School was over. Even children understand class (we did not know caste) and my mother made sure we did not discriminate.

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Daves
Daves
2 months ago
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Yet again, you make presumptuous claims about my family, and my parents.

My immediate family has multiple instances of ‘mixed’ marriage, not just caste, but religion. So your notions of who you are arguing against are entirely figments of your bigoted imagination.

Today’s India, and Hinduism is markedly different from what it used to be. Especially in urban settings. And I grew up in the 1980s and 90s. Refusing to acknowledge that, because of your personal anecdotal experiences from decades ago, is precisely what a close-minded bigot would do.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Can you elaborate? Because I’m not understanding your point.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

My immediate family has multiple instances of โ€˜mixedโ€™ marriage, not just caste, but religion

When you have Inter racial marriages in your family let me know.
My paternal family is littered with Inter Racial marriages, starting in the 1900’s

I myself am a product of an Inter Racial union from about 1870 thru my down south “Sinhalese Side”. I will get around to writing about that maybe even today.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

There is even a 2% South East Asian in my DNA. I think its from the 12th Century. The Malays (Chandrabanu of Tambralinga, a Buddhist) occupied Jaffna for about 30 years. There was a Javaka population in Jaffna till about the 15rth Century and was chased out by Sankili I (Chavakacheri a town)

I myself am a product of an Inter Racial union from about 1870 thru my down south “Sinhalese Side”. I will get around to writing about that maybe even today.

Read the wiki. It has a lot of the players in Sri Lanka including the Cholas and Pandyans. Pandyans have been long time allies of Sinhalese since the time of written history. The mythical Vijaya and his followers had married Pandyan women from Madurai.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrabhanu

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Playing off forced subservience and accepting a Trumpian ‘peace’ that involves bending the knee to Israel, as some sort of master-stroke is … one way of looking at it.

It is very obvious that Pakistan was all too willing to give carte blanche to Trump – and that has resulted in them being released from the post-AfPak Penalty box. And Yes, this is a undoubtedly, a significant win for the Pakistan military ‘establishment’ that runs the country.

In the near term, it means a temporary lifeline from teetering on the edge of economic collapse – Essentially Munir gets to be Musharraf 2.0, this time by dragging Pakistan into
the Levantine ‘War on Terror’ instead of the AfPak one.

We all know how the religious extremists in Pakistan feel about Israel. And just because PakMil has decided to pivot on Israel, this doesn’t mean that the ‘non state actor’ alphabet soup will follow suit. Recall that Mushy’s ‘alliance’ with Bush-led US led to significant internal strife and even assassination attempts against Mush. There are some non-trivial internal risks for Pakistan to manage.

On the flip side, one can argue that this can serve as a precursor for some eventual ‘cold peace’ for India-Pakistan – A Pakistan that manages to stabilize itself economically, and lets assume it uses this stability to clean up its act and finally defang the Lashkars – a post-Munir setup a few years down the road may be seen as a workable partner for rapproachement in New Delhi.

Interesting times we live in. I have said this before, but there are some eerie cyclical parallels to the current geopolitical landscape from a 100 years ago.

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

I would be very surprised if the leopard changes its spots. What incentive is there for them to defang LET?

In fact the operatives are now performing a very vital role in PoK suppressing dissent and rounding up agitators.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1945570

There are already some groups operating in Balochistan combating militancy. It is only in NWFP that the army is operating with their uniforms on and bombing outright.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

yeah, old habits die hard. And unwinding ‘assets’ is easier said than done, even if the intent was genuine. Which is…unlikely to say the least.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Getting back to XTM’s point on the post-Pahalgam landscape, he does have a fair point though. Indian policy is going to have to do some re-calculations.

It is clear that Pakistani hostility towards India is not going away anytime soon. And both Uncle Cheen and Uncle Sam find it useful for their own respective purposes to keep Pakistan ‘alive’ so the current Indian method of ‘isolating’ Pakistan and forcing it to make peace mostly on Indian terms, is…at best a long shot, if not off the table.

This is a setback – and one that was probably not expected in South Block when Drumpf came back for his second term.

I think the best thing for India now, in the near term, is to ‘play out the clock’. Continue with the status quo for now, ‘wait and see’ for a bit. The only question is whether to wait for the ‘next general up’ after Munir to begin the ‘reset’, or to start it while he’s still there. Maybe there’s an argument to be made that the ‘next guy’ may be weaker than Munir, or maybe even more fanatical towards India?

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Indosaurus
2 months ago
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Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

The post-WW1 Spanish flu pandemic and Covid,

The global economic turbulence and tariffs in the 1920s,

A strong resurgence of American isolation-ism asserting itself into the mainstream.

Multiple armed conflicts flaring up, some of them proxies for ‘great power’ competitions.

A dominant superpower (Brit empire) beginning its …sunset, but not quite visible yet.

I’m sure there are many more, but I’m by no means a history guru.

brown
brown
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

from an indian perspective:
i) d r d o has delivered and survives for another day. jugad has become main stream. air missiles of mig 21s are now,surface missiles.ancient anti aircraft guns are remodelled.
ii) indian forces are convinced of their edge over pakistan. earlier, behind all the bravado, there was some self doubt.
iii) with balakot and ops sindoor, no future indian govt. can wring its hands as they did after ‘bombay’
iv) the area of indian attack is now all of pakistan and not just p o k.
v) pak army knows that it is difficult to ‘beat’ indian forces.
vi) as i had written earlier, the modern hindu adapts in war quickly and is quite unpredictable.
vii) chinese systems have a question mark.
viii) private sector is now fully into arms production.
ix) arms exports from india has taken off big time compared to what it was earlier.
x) modi has become a hero.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  brown

This smacks of drinking your own kool-aid. More than a bit.

Chinese systems are useful and viable at a minimum. And they have the advantage of scale.

Yes Indian forces came away with mostly a dominant win, but even in that we still had some minor ‘surprise’ costs (a few jets). The comparison to cricket holds – yes we are a much stronger, better team likely to win 99 times out of 100. But the outcome is never guaranteed and the scoreline is never going to be a shutout.

Fantasizing about arms production and export is….naive extrapolation.

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Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

The Chinese air defence was a shambles.

Not to say they aren’t going to completely dominate in a few years with an automated robot drone army.

You can see the increase in arms exports here.

https://smefutures.com/indias-defence-sector-a-power-shift-from-imports-to-exports/

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

It was shambles because Pak underinvested in it, and air defense is a very expensive longterm endeavor. You are glossing over the efficacy of the long range missiles that targeted and sucessfully gave the IAF a bloody nose in the early exchange.

Pretending that somehow chinese war materiel is substandard is a convenient fiction. And a dangerous one.

On “exports”, yes there are green shoots. But we are dependent on the good graces of foreigners for engines for almost everything – from tanks to planes. So lets not exaggerate the state of affairs. Cold eyed realism is non-negotiable.

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Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

yes quite a few parallels. Arguably Israel’s hawks don’t want to allow a future Pakistan on its borders and are taking a maximalist position in order to avoid having to deal with a perpetual hostile nation-state on its borders.

Ironically Israel has more in common with Pakistan though, in terms of origin story…

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Oh, Absolutely not. Even prior to Oct 7, or after, I think Israel is an occupier and the Palestinians have been dealt an unfair hand.

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Why? Because people on twitter do so?
It is one of oft stated universal consensus opinions this site has had. That Gaza is an ongoing genocide.

It’s an interesting psychological phenomenon, everyone suspects others of secretly supporting genocide.

You’ve been asked to explicitly voice this antagonism to genocide yourself.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

The whole thing is tragic. I do think Israel has a right to exist but the Palestinians have a right to a state as well.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

There will be no no negotiated settlement when there are claims of Divine Right.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

diplomatic pressure on Israel, and seeking to isolate it. It’s government this week has moved to prohibit US military planes and ships from using its territory to transfer weapons and equipment to Israel.

Spain is pressing its case against both Israel and the US through other avenues as well, with Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sรกnchez calling for Israel to be excluded from international sports competitions over human rights abuses and war crimes against Palestinians.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/spain-blocks-us-military-transferring-arms-israel-through-its-bases

brown
brown
2 months ago

i am writing this as there is some discussion on dalits in this post.

caste in karnataka has become very interesting.
karnataka conducted a census exclusively for schedule castes.

there are three broad categories in schedule castes- madigas ( traditional village scavengers, more like chammars), holeyas (traditional village guards, like mahars, paswans) and lambanis, bhovis( earth diggers and stone cutters), koramas.
the last category are called touchables (sparsha) and are relatively better off than the other two.

the axes now getting apparent are:
madigas > jagajeevan ram>jesus
holeyas> ambedkar> buddha
Lambanis etc> hindu.

now a hold all caste survey has begun.

now navayana buddhists are asking their caste brethren to cite buddhism as their religion as they can still avail reservations being buddhists.

many madigas and holeyas have become christian, and in one move all the effort and resources of christian missionary are going waste.

brown
brown
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

the recently converted ‘dalits’ would avail benefits from govt. posing as schedule castes while still attending church on sundays. now, the entire christian population is placed as one of the backward castes but higher that schedule castes.backward caste reservation has an income ceiling whilst the schedule castes do not have this barrier.
this is rampant in the telugu states.

sbarrkum
2 months ago

There are little ways we can make the world better, with tolerance and empathy, specially to the less fortunate.

Some I was taught by my mother and in school. The others I observed in the US.

Be courteous to all and sundry,specially to the less fortunate and those who cant “talk back”. If possible ask their name and remember the names. In Sri Lanka I use a honorific, Mahataya (Nona for women) WhateverName. Speak a few sentences and ask about their family. Provide some advice or help if possible. DO NOT TALK DOWN, treat them as equals. 

Two Anecdotes (anecdotes give insight)
While in Grad school I did not have funding during one semester. I slept in my office (Grad Sudents get an office, shared with 2-4). I would get up early (6 ish)and head to the showers in my sarong. Lot of Field work, so unlike other Research Centers we had showers. One morning after a Snow storm as i was walking to the the Chairman of the Center walked thru the Entrance. I thought Busted. He and Smiled said Good Morning. When I came back from the shower he had opened the Janitors room and was busy mopping the floor. The Janitor, Joanne comes in at about 7:30. The message to me:, The Dignity of Labor.

The more you interact with different people you understand the nuances.
When I started working in NYC, Judy my African American friend and I would on an off would have a meal. She suggested a Dominican Restaurant. She said the food was good and cheap. The staff were all women and very friendly. After the meal Judy was a little pissed off. She said even though she went often to eat there, the staf were not so friendly. She ascribed the behavior to Latin American sexism, where women treat men preferentially. I learnt something new.

(I have eaten Latin American food with my Sri Lankan wife in an immigrant neighborhood near Sony Brook (the Uni town). Chorizo: This variety was bad, Pork Blood Sausage with rice stuffing. Good: Squid with Rice cooked in Ink (Squid Blood), Sort of like a Biriyani/Paella 

Attached photo sent a few days ago
LR: Camille (Judy’s husbands cousin(, Judy’s son (now living in Portugal), Judy’s Daughter, Judy.
Judy and Camille are probably now around 60

Judy-and-Family
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sbarrkum
2 months ago

It canโ€™t be said often enough that a two state solution will never never never happen. There are over 450,000 Israeli land-stealers, um settlers, in the West Bank and over 220,000 in East Jerusalem. Most if all are armed. They would have to be evicted by force

For decades, the United States also designated Israeli settlements as illegal,[42] but the first Trump administration reversed this long-standing policy in November 2019,[51] declaring that “the establishment of Israeli civilian settlements in the West Bank is not per se inconsistent with international law”;[52] this new policy, in turn, was reversed to the original by the Biden administration in February 2024,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement 

brown
brown
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

i had seen in a youtube video that none of the jewish settlements displaced existing arab populations. is it true?

if jews can find land for their brethren in west bank, what prevents arabs from doing the same? i mean expand their cities and villages, cultivate more land etc.

the way indian cities grow horizontally is exciting and maddening at once. why is this not happening in palestine?

in a two state situation, what is the place of these jewish settlements? will they be destroyed and jews expelled?

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  brown

In a two state solution–not that this is a realistic option anymore– the Jewish settlers are supposed to go back across the Green Line into Israel proper. Israel would of course annex some of the larger settlement blocs and compensate the Palestinians with land swaps.

But once again, when Israel is conducting a genocide in Gaza, speaking of a two state solution is facetious at best. Netanyahu has repeatedly stated he will never allow a Palestinian state. We should take him at his word.

Theoretically, I personally would not be particularly bothered with Jews continuing to live in a Palestinian state. They would of course then have to be subject to Palestinian laws. But unfortunately, there is too much hatred between the two populations so realisticly the settlers would have to move back to Israel proper.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Israel killed the two state solution. That was the entire point of moving all those Jewish settlers to the West Bank.

The only alternatives are status quo (apartheid in the West Bank and ethnic cleansing in Gaza) or a secular binational state for all (in which case it will probably no longer be called “Israel”).

Unfortunately, the status quo is going to be around for a long time.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  brown

in a two state situation, what is the place of these jewish settlements? will they be destroyed and jews expelled?

Thats why there will never never be a two state solution.

The Jews are chasing away the Palestinians from their land and occupying it.

Palestinians are the original people of Palestine. They converted to Islam. Just as much as Indian Muslims are Indian

The Jews (Settlers) are mixed European. They are no longer the original people of 2,000 years ago

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I think we have to recognize that Israel exists. Even the Palestinians accepted that long ago–which is why the whole concept exists of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza with its capital in East Jerusalem. Personally, i don’t think this is fair. I believe all of Palestine should be returned to the Palestinians. But this is obviously not realistic.

In any case, the “Two state solution” is now a non-starter. There can only be the status quo (apartheid in the West Bank and genocide in Gaza) or a single bi-national state between the river and the sea.

brown
brown
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

i) kindly check if all settlements had arabs driven out. this may not be the case.
ii) who is stopping the arabs from expanding their areas? lack of population?
iii) just as much as indian muslims are indian, should probably read just as much as indian muslims are hindu.
iv) are arabs ok with brown jews settling in palestine? i.e middle eastern, and indian jews?

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  brown

Not Arabs, Palestinians.
Calling them Arabs is Zionist Propoganda

just as much as indian muslims are indian, should probably read just as much as indian muslims are hindu

Indian Muslims are Muslims, as they have converted to Islam from Being Hindu many Generations ago

Or my Recent ancestors are Sri Lankan Tamil Christians having converted from Hinduism

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brown
brown
2 months ago
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just hair splitting,
i) golda meir had a palestinian passport !!!
ii) a minuscule number of jews were in palestine always. can they be treated as palestinians?

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Indian Muslims also have substantive non-Subcontinental ancestry

Most Indian muslims are non elite and many live in slums.

My guess many Dalit and Sudra types converted to Islam to bypass Hindu Oppression. Much like Dalits converting to Christianity during British Times.

Anyway do you have evidence for infusion of non-Subcontinental ancestry

I would find it very surprising given that 14% of India is Muslim. Hordes of Persian types should have been brought in to make a dent in the genes.

Sri Lanka has been 500 yeas under European occupation and was a very small population (probably about a million). But Barely a dent in the genes. Why, because the Europeans were few and they controlled using locals and South Indians (Lascarisns)

A similar issue in England. Was under Roman occupation but no discernible evidence in the genes of English. Very Few Romans and controlled using Gauls and local Anglo Saxons.

Read Asterix if one does not have the time to read History

Asterix comics are now out of copyright so available free
Read them very funny if you know some history

https://archive.org/details/35-asterix-and-the-picts/01_Asterix_the_Gaul/

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Brown
Brown
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

a very thin sliver at top say 3%, but they control 85% of resources and political leadership.
Except for a few overtly political types like Owaisi, the rest are silent .

Brown
Brown
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

probably I am responding too much! anyway, I always wondered who in their right frame of mind would leave a prosperous Europe and settle in a desert just because of religious beliefs? The earliest Zionists were not survivors of auswitz and not many survivors made it to Israel.
it was their land.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

The new Ashkenazim Settlers are more European than Palestinian. Stands to reason 2000 of Diaspora with pogrom and rape. probably one of the reasons that you are a Jew thru your mother.
There is also Israel Laws that prevent DNA tests. Cant have Evidence that Ashkenazim Jews are more European than Middle Eastern.

Heck I dont want even 4th or 5th gen Sri Lankans who are more European. I guess same thinking why India does not allow Dual Citizens.

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

doesnโ€™t SL have Burghers?

Good Question
Burghers Eurasian or Anglo Indian in India.

In Sri Lanka
a) Those descended from a European male ancestor are Burghers
b) Those who have Female European ancestor considered Sri Lankan (many such politicians in my fathers generation.

Many Burghers left around mid 1970’s. If one could prove European ancestry Australia welcomed you with open arms

An anecdote
I had a classmate Elvis Whitten (name changed slightly). Blacker than most Sri Lankans. Stingy too avoided paying his share. He left for Australia in 1974 just before we did O/L’s.

Did not think much of it at that time. Much later wondered what Australian Immigration thought of this “European descendant”

For the Indians
Famous Anglo Indian: Engelbert Humperdinck Arnold George Dorsey (born 2 May 1936),
Dorsey was born in Madras, Various sources also say that he has Anglo-Indian heritage

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

During British times the more Educated Burghers got mid level White Level Jobs or were professionals

In contrast another small population the Colombo Chettys had many Doctors (eg Babapulles and Casie-Chettys). A famous name is Michael Ondaatje the Author of English Patient and movie

Never heard of Burghers having high administrative office. Probably because they were Catholic.

When I went thru the Roper Lethbridge 1900 Golden Book of India and Ceylon did not see Burgher name. My fathers Brother and Grandmother father are mentioned.

Roper Lethbridge 1900 Golden Book (Ceylon Section)
Two references to my ancestors
i) pg 357: KUMARAKULASINGHA, Kanakanayakam Charles Barr, (grandfathers brother)
ii) pg 364 &365: Four TILLEKERATNE’s maternal grandmothers paternal ancestors.

https://wilpattuhouse.com/MiscStuff/GennealogyStuff/Golden%20Book%20of%20Ceylon%201900.pdf

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Brown
Brown
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

looks more like Anglo Indian train drivers and rail guards

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  Brown

Yes many were Train Drivers and Rail Guard.

Many English educated Jaffna Tamil too were Train Drivers and Rail Guards. Quite few went to Malaysia as well.

Good job those days. Housing and a Pension. I had a Station Master married to cousin. Enough money to have a car (Morris Minor) and a Piano. Luxury items in 1970’s and before

brown
brown
2 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

do they still have their clubs and dances?

sbarrkum
2 months ago
Reply to  brown

do they still have their clubs and dances?
In Australia, almost no one left. Only the very very rich and some who could not prove European, generally quite poor

Now its the Sinhalese that do clubs and dance (urban)

Brown
Brown
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Yes. also are brown Jews like Yemeni, Indian etc accepted as settlers? are only the white Jews a problem?

Kabir
2 months ago

Very flattering picture of Ishaan!

The only thing I’m interested in in this post is: Was the movie any good?

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Thanks. I might check it out. Ishaan is a good actor (He was particularly good as “Maan” in “A Suitable Boy”)

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