In a recent exchange, Kabir suggested that Pakistanis often feel unwelcome in our discussions on Brown Pundits, and that constant criticism of their country creates a sense of unease. It is worth pausing to reflect on this. Pakistanis, like all of us, are shaped by history and circumstance. And yet, there is something in the cultural tenor of Pakistan that makes open engagement difficult.
I say this not to provoke but to observe. Pakistan, as a society, often leans heavily on hierarchism, patronage, and a culture of deference. To borrow an old saying about the Somalis, that every man thinks himself a Sulแนญรกn, one might say that Pakistanis often view themselves through the prism of status and validation. This instinct is hardly unique; Indians, too, have their caste-bound privileges and invisible hierarchies. But in India, these structures are embedded in a dense cultural fabric; family, caste, neighbourhood, ritual, that, for all their flaws, anchor society. Pakistan, by contrast, feels less rooted. It is a younger country (with old traditions), with fewer inherited cultural layers to draw on.
This is not simply an abstract point. When I married, we drew freely from Hindu rituals (dual ceremonies, Bahรกโรญ incl.), Persian customs, and Sindhi traditions, blending them into something whole. But I realised there was nothing distinctly โPakistaniโ to contribute; no cultural motif that stood outside India or Iran (we didn’t do a Walima, which is Muslim). Pakistan is, in many ways, a derivation: a state forged through separation, rather than a civilization with deep roots of its own. The cultural space it occupies has been overlaid with militant nationalism and, too often, Hindu-phobia (Kabir is so inured to it that he isn’t able to recognise that but on the flipside so is the Commentariat towards Islam).
To acknowledge this is not to deny the prejudices of Indians toward Muslims, which are very real and enduring. Nor is it to ignore the deracinated, secular archetype embodied by figures like Benazir Bhutto, who seemed neither fully Muslim nor fully Western, suspended between worlds and who are the cultural elite of Pakistan (what they give up on their bridge is their Hindu origins; more than being half-Persian, Benazir’s nani was Hindu). It is simply to note that Pakistanโs cultural story remains unsettled & thus interesting.
Validation and Audience
Kabirโs call for fairness is understandable. But it is also true that Brown Pundits need not constantly chase Pakistani validation. The siteโs founding DNA is already marked by Muslim and Pakistani antecedents. Today, however, our audience is predominantly Indian and Indian-American. This is not pandering; it is reality.
That said, fairness does matter. Pakistan deserves serious analysis, not caricature. At times, our commentary lacks texture or nuance, and I do not defend that. But nor do I think it is a hill worth dying on. Pakistan is both compelling and frustrating. It is a society I know well, yet cannot always reason with.
Yet the Commentariat has missed a crucial point: Pakistan has seized moral, diplomatic, and even strategic ground in the post-Pahalgam landscape. From pariah in April to statesmanlike in September, Islamabad courted China, the US, and Saudi Arabia in a single breath. Those five planes downed, almost mythical symbols of both defiance and desperation, seem to have forced a moral recalibration. Few states have thrived so deftly in the chaos of Trumpworld.
Pakistanโs Shift: From Ideology to Pragmatism
Where Pakistan becomes truly interesting today is not in its cultural struggles but in its politics. After Imran Khan, arguably the last great ideological Pakistani leader; the country has entered a different phase. Its leaders are no longer guided by abstract visions of Islamic nationalism or moral grandstanding. Instead, Pakistan has become the ultimate realpolitik state.
This is a striking contrast with India. Prime Minister Modi, for better or worse, is constrained by Indian democracy. Popular opinion shapes policy. Indiaโs deep-rooted democratic ethos both strengthens and shackles its politics. China, by contrast, is free of such constraints, but at the cost of cultural vitality. China is rich, but soulless. India is poorer, but soulful. And that soul, messy, contradictory, spiritual, is what allows Bollywood to exist, what gives India its strange, stubborn cultural power.
Pakistan, in this light, sits uncomfortably between models. It is not fully democratic, but neither is it an outright dictatorship. This semi-authoritarian posture allows its leaders to make pragmatic choices, sometimes brutally so, while its culture remains trapped in older reflexes of pride and grievance. Itโs essentially a GCC state with a serious army but without the oil.
Culture vs. Politics
Here lies the paradox: Pakistanโs politics may be maturing into realism, but its culture lags behind. Ordinary Pakistanis still carry the weight of ideological nationalism, of religious pride, of unresolved identity. Yet the state itself increasingly acts with cold calculation. This disconnect between culture and politics is unusual in South Asia. Indiaโs politics may be turbulent, but they are tethered to its people. Pakistanโs politics, by contrast, float above its culture.
This tension may prove unsustainable or it may define Pakistanโs future. It could become the model of a state that thrives on pragmatism even when its culture resists. Or it could unravel under the strain.
India, Pakistan, and the Value of a Soul
The contrast with India is instructive. India remains a flawed but vibrant democracy. Its poor may lack material wealth, but the country possesses something priceless: a civilizational soul. It is the birthplace of spirituality for the world, the source of philosophies and traditions that outlived empires. That soul is both a blessing and a burden. It slows India down, but it gives India meaning.
Pakistan, by contrast, is still searching for its soul. Perhaps it will find one in pragmatism, in a new realism forged by necessity. Or perhaps it will continue to define itself only in opposition, to India, to history, to itself.
A Closing Reflection
Brown Pundits is not here to pander. Our role is to reflect, to critique, to question. And in doing so, we must be expansive, not dogmatic. Pakistan deserves analysis not because we owe it validation, but because it sits at the crossroads of culture and politics, ideology and realism, identity and survival.
If India is the land of the soul, perhaps Pakistan is becoming the land of strategy. That may be its destiny. And perhaps that is enough.

XTM
As a Zionist it might be useful to compare Israel and Pakistan
For a start
a) Both Young countries created by the British
b) Both deeply Abrahamic non secular countries (Judaism and Islam)
c) Both treat original peoples as second class (Baloch and Palestinians)
One big difference I see is that the UN is yet to accuse Pakistan of Genocide
I actually think Israel is more egregious than Pakistan fwiw.
In fact I am not in disagreement with what Kabir says alot of the time; I just think he’s the Ilhan Omar of BP.
It’s not that he’s necessarily wrong but his timing and place is off; thus generates controversy.
I have yet to do pilgrimage in Israel because I sense it is intolerant to various peoples but Pakistan is a much more easy going society.
It’s interesting when we had Q, Kabir was the moderate. then Q left and Kabir became the hardline; as Kabir negotiates his relationship with BP, it’s left to me to provide context to Pakistan.
our Overton window is shifting ๐
Also Baluchistan is VERY complex;; Pakistan’s provinces aren’t really all that well defined.
I want to write on that (Baluchistan is plurality Pathan).
I actually think Israel is more egregious than Pakistan fwiw
Can you admit that Israel is committing Genocide
Benjamin Netanyahu is committing Genocide in Gaza since October 25th.
revenge is never a good strategy
Thanks I thought your Zionist Ideology prevented you from saying.that.
Anyway many in Israel approve of whats happening and approved by the Parliament. It just not Netanyahu. No different from blaming Pakistan for many of its policies
Israel collective is Guilty of Genocide, no different from the European country in the 1940’s
Many in Israel should be hauled to the Hague and face charges of Genocide
I dont think it will happen. Too much pedophilia blackmail a la Epstein
Justice is paramount
Absolutely! It is not just Netanyahu.
Most of Israeli society is so far right that they literally do not care about starving children and dead women.
Listen what Candace Owen has to say towards the end
https://web.facebook.com/reel/1145933557431371
I don’t want to castigate an entire pop
It’s obviously not the entire population. But by and large the Israeli public does not care about the deaths and famine in Gaza. Polls have been done on this.
Over the years, the populace has become so right-wing that Palestinian suffering really doesn’t phase them.
this is true – it is also true that Pakistanis care more about Palestinian welfare than they do of non-Muslim Pakistanis and other South Asian Muslims
hierarchy of colour and racism mixed in
Israelis including young boys hitting a woman because she is Christian.
There is a lot of hate in Israel among much of the population. The chosen people of God
Kabir do Pakistanis hit Christian Foreign women.
https://web.facebook.com/reel/1128781055859298
Pakistan has it’s own problems with Christians–specifically the Blasphemy Law.
Pakistanis tend to treat foreigners (especially White people) with immense respect.
slavishness more like it?
Aha, now I see the connection of Bahรก’รญ to Zionism
Several of the central figures of the Bahรก’รญ Faith died or were buried in Palestine prior to the inception of Israel. Bahรก’u’llรกh died in 1892 near ‘Akkรก, and was buried near His home in Bahji.
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Also
Bahรก’u’llรกh gave this task to a Persian Bahรก’รญ of Jewish descent, Mรญrzรก ‘Azรญzu’llรกh-i-Jadhdhรกb. In his memoirs, Mรญrzรก ‘Azรญzu’llรกh recorded the following
I informed him of the coming of Bahรก’u’llรกh and of the fulfilment of the prophecies of the Old Testament concerning the advent of the Lord of Hosts who had revealed Himself on Mount Carmel etc.
So basically another sect that has the Old Testament as its core. Much like Christianity
https://bahaipedia.org/Zionism
We are not a sect.
You are overreading with respect.
The Faithโs position on the Holy Land is here:
https://www.bic.org/statements/letter-united-nations-special-committee-palestine
Additional reading:
https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/the-universal-house-of-justice/messages/19870430_001/1#351800147
Just briefly:
I am not calling for censorship of views on Pakistan. I do however think that use of the word “Nazi” to describe Pakistan doesn’t contribute to meaningful discussion.
As you yourself have noted in this post, most of the commentariat has no direct knowledge of Pakistan and have never visited the country. By contrast, I have actually been to India (granted I was a teenager). Yes the “Overton Window” on BP has shifted. It reflects the rightward shift in India as a whole. Pakistan is increasingly public enemy number one. Yes, India is also Pakistan’s public enemy number one but Pakistan is an ideological state. The entire “ideology of Pakistan” is based on the Two Nation Theory.
When Omar was more involved with BP, there was a lot of discussion on Pakistan. While I disagreed with many of Omar’s views, he actually is Pakistani-American and he has family living in Pakistan. So his views on Pakistan at least represented viewpoints that are held within the country–they are not caricatures.
Lastly, there are many Indian nationalists on this forum. They are there to back each other up (even pile on at times). By contrast, there is no one on my team.
BP is what you make of it. Itโs a powerful site โ heavy readership, an active Commentariat. But word-policing (for example, over the use of โNaziโ) is not a good strategy.
Your most popular Substack views have come directly from BP. Why not leverage that?
All I ask (of everyone) is simple: keep the exchanges civil. The Commentariat, for all their sparring, come to BP to also see what Pakistan thinks (I did not want to ban Q fwiw but he just got ziddi).
And the truth is, post-Pahalgam, Pakistan has done very well โ because PM Modi is constrained by Indian public opinion, while Trump seems determined to take his revenge on Delhi (tariffs, H1bs etc). That nuance deserves to be unpacked here.
You have talent, passion, and privilege; a potent combination. How far you go is ultimately your call. But donโt underestimate the Commentariat: they are, on the whole, a very understanding group. The real issue, as with many Pakistanis, is that you donโt engage enough with Hindus and Indians outside the narrow world of Lutyen liberals โ who, truth be told, are barely Hindu at all. The JNU types are not real India but activists cosplaying for NGOs and foreign interests.
Thank you. I already have a successful Substack. And that’s a platform I fully control and one where any comments I find egregious can be deleted immediately.
I differ with your notion of “very understanding”. Being called an “Islamist” is a red line for me and yet it keeps happening. At this point, people know that they are triggering me and they just don’t care.
Saying that Congress voters are “barely Hindu at all” is not a good argument. They just are not rabidly anti-Islam and anti-Pakistan.
that’s ur call
> Pakistan is increasingly public enemy number one
This doesn’t seem right to me. Far from being number one, Pakistan not even considered a worthy adversary by most Indians anymore.
However, the hatred towards Pakistan has definitely increased – A whole generation of people who had nostalgia for Pakistan have died; terror attacks and social media reporting of minorities in Pakistan have become commonly known.
Make of it what you will. But personally, I think most Indians have delusions of grandeur and India will be mistaken to take Pakistan lightly as it has been proven in post Op Sindoor management of discourse by Pakistan.
I think Pakistan is militarily quite strong for a country of its size.
And it will remain that way due to the way it is structured.
But other fields, not even a competition (the excess military power leads to this).
And the gap will keep growing, both militarily and in other fields.
This Saudi deal is going to enrich their military a lot. Paves the way for an Arab mercenary force expansion.
Why didn’t the Saudis recruit Syrian fighters? There are a lot of armed groups left around after the civil war and they seem to be engaging in Druze killings etc, you would think they would turn them against the Houthis with little to 0 geopolitical consequence.
Can only be that comfort factor with Pakistan and their troop discipline and competence is high, the Pakistanis also are often on UN missions too.
I don’t really see any relaxation on the Indian front, lots of negative geopolitical headwinds.
> I think Pakistan is militarily quite strong for a country of its size.
I agree with Pakistani military being quite strong. Infact, I would go a step further and say that Pakistan has the best trained infantry in the whole world at present. But its a symptom, not a cause.
The reason why Pakistan punches way above their weight is because a regular Pakistani has way higher pain tolerance compared to a regular India. Pakistan is willing to take losses as long as India is harmed proportionally. While Indians consider Pakistanis beneath themselves. This kind of thinking makes losses very hard psychologically. e.g. How can IAF lose a Rafale to bunch of Pakis (No matter the mission objectives)? While a Pakistani is quite happy to kill one IAF pilot in retaliation to bombed runways and several dozen airmen and Jihadis being deleted by IAF.
This creates a lose-lose situation for govt and military leaders.
Again I don’t agree with that
May I know what exactly do you not agree with?
Do you think Indians consider Pakistan as a worthy enemy? Just curious of your PoV.
I think most Indians have delusions of grandeur and India will be mistaken to take Pakistan lightly
Dont know about most Indian, but for sure most of the Indian commenters on this site.
everyone has their biases
Hate to break it to you but real life is even more depressing. I wish Indian academics and Policy folks could get serious about Pakistani threat.
India has tried isolating Pakistan, and failed. Tried ignoring it, and failed. India has succeeded in past when it actively takes on Pakistan as a worthy opponent and works against it. Perhaps a time for reflection and change in policy.
While we’re on the subject of Pakistan, this appeared in today’s DAWN:
“Pakistan’s Struggle For Women’s Rights” by Sara Malkani
https://www.dawn.com/news/1943215/pakistans-struggle-for-womens-rights
Let’s also remember that Pakistan was the first country in the Muslim world to have had a female PM: Benazir Bhutto (twice)
you can post this; reflect but as I said new commentary
I think we have to grow the authorship voluntarily; so I prefer our most regular commentators to be come Authors. I think everyone has signed up except for BB (he’s on a cool-off period) and another..
I prefer the most active users to shape this space rather than import other voices just for balance. I want BP to evolve organically
Yes exactly – I think while we are Commentariat driven; the real power is in Authorship, where one can make their views known.
I tried. I posted book reviews and pieces on Hindustani music (my academic specialty). Didn’t get much traction.
Furqan tried. It looks like he’s given up.
Like it or not, most comments come from India-Pakistan back and forth.
not really BP is in a constant state of evolution..
u have t know ur audience and readership and steer them.
this is not only an IndoPak blog fwiw
Did anyone watch the cricket yesterday?
Unreal hitting by abhishek-gill
I’ve been boycotting these damn matches. Though at this point it feels like an exercise in self flagellation. Goddamn BCCI.
was quite the game..
IPL generation finally comes of age. These guys make the Rohit-Kohli generation look like journeymen in T20 cricket.
Next gen is even better. There is this kid Suryavanshi, 14 years old (I am assuming 16ish with a bit of age fudging). Unreal talent. Is even more aggressive than Abhishek.
fantastic article. Just one point:
For an overwhelming percentage of Indians, Pakistan has always been seen as a hostile irritant, nothing more. It is not as if young Indians get up every morning wondering what Pakistan is up to. Of course, the establishment has to continue to be alert for security reasons but other than that, there is zero interest.
In this light, if there is a serious, intellectual,Pakistani point of view, then it would be welcome. For example, my interest in brown pundits was kindled by the writings of Omar Ali, who is awesome. I dont think Kabir is up to the task.
I think Kabir is actually quite the intellectual..
he has a very good substack.
https://kabiraltaf.substack.com/
Kabir’s problem is emblematic of his generation. Still stuck wishing for the parity that existed back in the 80s and 90s. And in the process, all too willing to justify blatantly illiberal positions in support of the Pakistani Military simply because he chooses to conflate it with the Pakistani state.
Make no mistake, this is an explicit choice. An illiberal one at that.
I empathize to a certain degree. And I’m happy to engage such a perspective, its the bigotry and dishonesty of argument that creates the friction.
I do not think it is parity per se – it is the evolution of a Global South dialectic that is shaped by elite discourse. So Pakistani elites have allied with Left-Liberal-Lutyens even though Pakistan is anything but a leftist society..
Right, its just a cynical weaponization of what Dr saab calls the ‘le-lis’. I can understand the appeal to deploy it, but it simply isn’t as effective an argument beyond those echo chambers that are brainwashed by the 2 nation nonsense…
I think Pakistan has had a huge boost of confidence post-Pahalgam tbh
Tbh, wishing for the bygone days is emblematic of his generation. And that has been said by very anglicized Pakistanis.
Kamila Shamsie:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/aug/14/india.features116
Osman Samiuddin:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/osman-samiuddin-meekened-pakistan-still-waiting-to-prick-india-s-bubble-830669
Mohsin Hamid:
Can’t find the article but when he came to Delhi to shoot The Reluctant Fundamentalist he admitted envy of the Delhi airport and took solace that Pakistanis had better fast bowlers (which is no longer true).
And these are all quotes from when the gap hadn’t even become as big as now.
I don’t actually agree with that..
Intense Deja vu.
https://www.brownpundits.com/2025/06/01/flame-thread-protocols-honey-kabir/#comment-112257
What a coincidence ๐
droll
Now that you XTM decided to “out” Kabir
a) Why dont you XTM give your LinkedIn profile.
what do u mean?
I think he is under the impression you have “doxxed” Kabir when his profile (as is yours) is public.
Kabir is very open about his substack
I don’t really want to comment here but please don’t post links to my profiles ( anyway I don’t really use LinkedIn)
There are a lot of crazies on the Internet and Honey Singh already managed to hack my email once.
The Substack is fine since it is meant to be publicly available.
I do thank you sbarrkum for your support. The way that people here are very careful to distinguish between the Government of Israel and the Israeli people while not applying this same standard to Pakistan is quite telling.
Kabir, I like to be fair and one against many is I think unfair
that’s a good philosophy
Thank you for that.
sure