Public debates on Indian Muslims often make one basic mistake: they collapse all minorities into a single category and then declare that âeveryone is thriving because a few individuals have done wellâ. This flattens history, erases structure, and turns civilisational questions into census arithmetic.
1. Minorities Are Not Interchangeable
Jains, Sikhs, and Buddhists offer no meaningful analogy to Indian Muslims.
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Jains were never politically central to the subcontinent.
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Sikhs built a regional power, not a pan-subcontinental order.
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Buddhists have been demographically marginal for a thousand years.
Indian Muslims were different. For centuries they formed the civilisational elite of North India; shaping courts, languages, music, etiquette, food, architecture, and the ways Indian states understood power. Delhi, Agra, Lucknow, Hyderabad were not enclaves. They were the centre of the political and aesthetic world of the Indo-Gangetic plain. A fall from centrality is not comparable to never having been central at all.
2. Individual Success Is Not Structural Health
Pointing to Abdul Kalam, A.R. Rahman, Azim Premji, or film stars as proof that âIndian Muslims are doing fineâ repeats a familiar majoritarian gesture:
âLook at these successful individuals. What problem remains?â
Every society does this. The United States used Barack Obama to deny structural racism. European states do it with their celebrities from immigrant backgrounds. Individual success never cancels civilisational loss, political vulnerability, or cultural retreat. A community that once defined the taste and grammar of a civilisation now negotiates its place defensively. That shift cannot be measured by listing famous exceptions.
3. Biography Is Not an Argument
Another common move is to say:
âYou cannot comment unless you live in India.â
This evades the issue. If a community is âthrivingâ, its condition should be legible from inside and outside. Argument does not depend on pin code. Either the claim of well-being is true in general, or it is not.
4. Who Defines the Minorityâs Experience?
The deepest problem in these debates is not hostility; it is appropriation of voice. The majority often decides:
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what counts as flourishing,
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which histories matter,
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and which members of the minority are âgoodâ representatives.
This is not dialogue; it is gatekeeping. A minority is entitled to describe its own trajectory, including decline, displacement, or cultural loss, without being overruled by majority comfort.
For instance, Kabirâs remarks on Pakistani minorities often jar because they emerge from a position of relative security. That vantage point is not available to Hindus, Ahmadis, and, periodically, Christians and Shiâa, for whom Pakistan remains an uncertain and hostile environment.
5. India, Pakistan, and the Confusion of Categories
Arguments about the Indo-Muslim past often mix up three distinct questions:
(a) Legal:
Who is the successor state to British India? â India.
(b) Territorial:
Who holds which cities, archives, monuments? â Delhi, Agra, Lucknow, Hyderabad, Lahore, Dhaka are now split across states.
(c) Civilisational:
Where do the languages, manners, and sensibilities of the Islamicate world still survive? â Across North India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and diasporic pockets.
These answers do not align neatly. Confusing them leads to needless polemics about who âownsâ the Mughal past or the Urdu ethos.
6. Indiaâs Saffron Age vs Pakistanâs compromised Islamicate Remnant
Present political projects shape how this shared past is viewed.
In India:
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The state holds the old capitals.
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Hindu civilisational revival is now central.
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The Indo-Muslim centuries are being recast as occupation or deviation.
The monuments remain; their builders become villains or footnotes.
In Pakistan:
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Material weakness contrasts with a strong symbolic attachment to Indo-Muslim high culture.
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Urdu, Delhi, Lucknow, Ghalib, and Mughal memory are treated as moral capital.
Both national narratives select what they can use. Neither fully captures the older, more complex Indo-Muslim world. The division of that world into two, and then three, successor states also shattered its cultural centre of gravity. As Omar noted, none of these states now has the scale to sustain Urdu as a civilisational language. Ironically, Urdu survives in India not because of state policy but because Hindi cinema keeps its idiom alive. In Pakistan, by contrast, Urdu has little protection against the rise of English, which has absorbed the elite.
Had the original Urdu-Muslim nationalists, Jinnah, Iqbal, the Aligarh generation, imagined a future within a united India, Urdu would have stood a better chance. In such a federation, language rather than religion might have become the organising principle, giving Urdu the demographic depth to resist being eclipsed.
7. The Narrow Corridor Where Indo-Muslim Culture Still Lives
The world in question is not generic Islam and not generic India. It is a distinctive hybrid:
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Persianate high culture
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Hindavi/Urdu language
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Turko-Afghan and Central Asian elements
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Local caste-regional continuities
This produced recognisable ways of speaking, hosting, composing, judging, and remembering. Today it survives in a shrinking corridor; too Islamicate for majoritarian nationalism, too entangled with Hindu rhythms for purist Islamism. This corridor still defines the emotional geography of many modern, liberal South Asians who inherit the Indo-Muslim sensibility without needing to defend any contemporary state.
In my own life, though, that sensibility has begun to recede. As Iâve moved from Urdu to Persian, and from a Muslim-inflected cultural frame toward a Hindu civilizational one, Iâve found myself stepping outside the Indo-Muslim groove entirely. In a way, this shift isnât a departure but a return to the deeper foundations from which Urdu culture itself once drew; Perso-Indic, Sanskritic, civilizational rather than sectarian. And it has allowed me, finally, to flow cleanly within India: not by erasing anything, but by recognising what the cultural centre of gravity actually is, and aligning myself with it.
Perhaps Saif Ali Khan and a small circle can similarly separate the Islamicate from its religious frame; though even that sparked controversy when he named his sons after Timur and Jehangir. But this is not a realistic path for the 700 million South Asian Muslims whose culture, history, and theology are inseparably linked.
8. The Real Issue: Speaking From and Not About
The core dispute is simple:
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Speaking about a minority means classifying it, measuring it, reassuring the majority that everything is fine.
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Speaking from a minority means describing how a community understands its own trajectory; without asking permission, and without fitting itself into majority narratives.
A community that once sat at the centre of a civilisation is entitled to narrate its own fall from that centre. That is not grievance. That is historical clarity.
9. Why This Debate Matters
This is not about Pakistanâs identity crisis. Not about celebrity success stories. Not about census percentages. It is about:
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the rupture between past centrality and present marginality,
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the right of a community to name its own condition,
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and the tension between legal territory, lived culture, and political identity.
The Indo-Muslim world is neither dead nor intact. It is a fractured inheritance, unevenly distributed across three states and many diasporas. Understanding that inheritance requires listening to voices that speak from within it, not only from outside it.

I only want to say that technically I am Shia (My father is Shia). But obviously I do still carry the privilege of being Muslim in an “Islamic Republic”.
interesting Altaf stems from Al-Lutf. same root as Latif
muslims are not a minority in india. they should start a dialog with hindu right and come to a new consensus about their issues.they can take care of themselves. where muslims are a majority they don’t cede that space to any body, eg. kashmir, hydrabad, and many muslim dominated seats.the hindu liberals have done sooo much for the muslim cause, that it is hurting muslims more now!!it was the ‘english’ educated muslims who demanded pakistan, who support global jehad. the ordinary muslim is not bothered about these issues.
yes Hindu liberals have not helped by encouraging the backward sections for sure
Such a profoundly thoughtful summary. Hard to argue here. There is structural power loss of privilege that you document. there is the hindu civ revivalist moment, the material loss and identity sharing in Pakistan with the Indo-Muslim heritage. Quite a sweeping and grand one. excellent.
thanks for your kind words Manav đ
>A community that once sat at the centre of a civilisation is entitled to narrate its own fall from that centre. That is not grievance. That is historical clarity.
And yet, discussions of the multi-century history of invasion, subjugation of the subcontinent – one that resulted in the creation of the ‘civlizational’ centre, is instantly reviled as RW Hindooootva jingoism.
If a self-described ‘minority’ is “historical clarity”, why aren’t a billion Indians?
This âWe ruled India for 1000 yearsâ delulu is solulu is behind all this nonsense. The reality is Muslims were just like any other group in medieval India that tasted power in some regions/periods. Jain king Chandragupta Maurya or Rani Aabakka were also rulers but theyâre conveniently denied agency here.
Muslims are not one nation, just see how Turkish, Algerians or Tunisian Muslims donât equate with PK/BD muslims in Europe
who decided that they are not?
who said the inverse wasn’t true as well?
A very well balanced analysis. Wonderfully put.
thanks so much Syed
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A simple comment that has same upvotes as your downvotes tells me that youâre frustrated in writing this post.
Go read it again: I never said âYou canât comment on India unless you live in Indiaâ, thatâs a clever sleight of hand youâve done there.
The way youâve brushed aside other minorities as ânot minorityâ is a sign of misplaced arrogance thatâs behind the cancerous ideology that is Pakistan.
Neither are Muslims a minority in India nor do only few select Muslims rise to the top. There are countless examples like My friends Ilyas, Izar and Taufeeq who are directors in big firms. Mujeeb and Ishrat, my brothers friends, who are thriving in life, are also a testament to Indiaâs track record. Theyâve the same struggles as everyone else.The ghost of an imaginary pan Indo-Islamic country died long long ago. Indian Muslims donât want anything to do with BD and PK in any space.
Only Indians can speak about Indians confidently because for us Marathi Jains, Dakkhani Muslims, Mumbai Parsees, Navayan Buddhists, Oraon Christians, Yellapura Siddis, Bagalkote Lingayats, Kodavas and everyone else is the same. Itâs our own unique fucking experience that you canât even imagine from outside in. The diversity is the real beauty that you canât see unless youâre inside it.
I think we can interrogate minority angst in a neutral way?