Open Thread: From Floods to LaBal

A few updates from this week:

Sri Lanka is facing severe flooding. Sbarkkum reports major damage to rail and road networks, with Dutch support expected for reconstruction.

Sana Aiyarโ€™s โ€œWorld at MITโ€ video touches on her life and work

Sam Dalrymple has a clip on Lahore and Delhiโ€”another reminder of how closely the two cities mirror each other despite partition.

Pakistanโ€™s minority rights bill is worth watching.

If Pakistan wishes to criticise India, or any state, it must first show what genuine protection of minorities looks like. This bill is a test. Letโ€™s see if it holds.

On the cultural side, Ella Wadia (QeAโ€™s great-granddaughter) made her debut at LaBalโ€”a striking continuation of a very old Bombay lineage.

AOC remarks that Trumpโ€™s economy is being held up by an โ€œAI bubble,โ€ a claim now making the rounds in US media.

Kabir shares a comedy sketch about Indian mothers picking up Pakistani Urdu from dramas; a small cultural bleed that still amuses both sides.

And finally, Razib has a major piece out on the Aryans; one of his clearest treatments of the subject to date.

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Furqan Ali
1 month ago

This minority bill is actually amazing — I wasnโ€™t expecting anything like this, especially after the post-Pak-India war situation and the CDFโ€™s reiteration of the two-nation theory.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Furqan Ali

The “two nation theory” has nothing to do with the rights of minorities within Pakistan. The whole point of the “two nation theory” was to achieve Pakistan. The argument was that Hindus and Muslims were two distinct nations and should each have their own nation-state. Now that Pakistan has been achieved, non-Muslims citizens of Pakistan should have their rights protected. This is what the August 11 speech (“You are free to go to your temples etc..”) was about.

On Ella Wadia: She is QeA’s great great grandaughter (his grandson Nusli’s granddaughter).

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

That’s true. But as we’ve discussed several times before, Pakistan is an “Islamic Republic” not a secular state. India is a secular state (on paper).

In an Islamic Republic, the President, PM, COAS etc must all be Muslim. That doesn’t mean that non-Muslim citizens haven’t risen to high offices such as Justice Cornelius and Justice Bhagwandas.

Ideally, I would love Pakistan to be a secular state but for most mainstream Pakistanis that would defeat the entire point of Pakistan.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

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Kabir
1 month ago

“Who Gets to Be Indian? ft. Ram Puniyani”

The pilot episode of “Beyond the Taj: The Story of India’s Minorities”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPBcT8-Czek

Kabir
1 month ago

“Biryani and Paan: A Look at the Lost Muslim Cities of Hindustan”

by Sophia Khan

https://apinksamosa.substack.com/p/biryani-and-paan-a-look-at-the-lost?

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formerly brown
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

like greeks pining for constantinople.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Rubbish. It again conflates Pakistan with Muslims.

Says that Pakistan “lost” these cities.

How? They were never part of “Pakistan” at any point in time.

And majority of the Muslims did not leave and their descendants are Indian citizens.

Last edited 1 month ago by Bombay Badshah
Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

The article is literally titled “The Lost Muslim cities of Hindustan”. So your point that these cities were never part of Pakistan is irrelevant to the discussion.

Many of us Pakistanis have ancestors who were from Lucknow, Delhi, Agra etc. My own paternal grandmother was from Agra.

As the author points out in the article, many Indians lament the loss of Lahore. I can make the same point you did and say that Lahore was never part of the nation-state of “India” that was created on August 15, 1947. But that doesn’t take away from the pain of those Indians whose families were uprooted from Lahore. So don’t minimize the pain of those of us who lost Agra and Lucknow.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

British “India” existed whose successor state is India. And Lahore was a part of “India”.

I know you like to deny it but India got independence, Pakistan was “formed”.

there is a reason the ROI inherited the capital, the parliament, the UN membership, the cricket team, the hockey team, the olympic records etc.

That’s like saying “Russia” came into being in 92 and “China” in 49 but they were both successor states.

By extending your logic, most Pakistanis (at that time) left in 71 so was “Pakistan” formed in 1971?

Also Lahore has almost no Hindus left so lamenting it is justified.

Delhi, Lucknow, Hyderabad most Muslims did not leave including the Nawab of Mahmudabad and Nizam of Hyderabad who were the biggest Muslims of those cities.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

I don’t think you understand the concept of a nation-state. I’m not going to constantly re-litigate this with you. It’s honestly not worth my time.

Lahore was not part of “India” simply because “India” as a NATION-STATE did not exist until August 15, 1947. Lahore was part of BRITISH India and part of the Mughal Empire. Those are both different entities than the Republic of India.

This is simply a historical fact. There are no two opinions on this.

Raja Sahab Mahmudabad migrated to Iraq in 1945 and then moved to Pakistan in 1957. He eventually settled in London. So you are factually incorrect on that point as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amir_Ahmed_Khan

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

That’s not the point. The historical fact is that there was no nation-state called “India” before August 15, 1947.

Kabir
1 month ago

“Soundscapes: Sounds of the Sacred”
By Arieb Azhar

https://www.dawn.com/news/1959709/soundscape-sounds-of-the-sacred

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formerly brown
1 month ago

david pallman writes about the myth of the andulussian paradise.

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DMnJyDibJ/

sbarrkum
1 month ago

Why I say Asoka and Chandragupta Mayura in Sri Lankan Memory for over 2000 year.

This is a visit the Bike guys to Sonebhandar (or Son Bhandar Caves) refers to two ancient, man-made rock-cut caves in Rajgir, Bihar, India

The bhandar are supposed to the wealth of Bimbisara (Asokas father).
This location is the site of the First Buddhist Council. A whole chapter in the Mahavamsa

The DharmaChakra now the Symbol of India was first a Buddhist Logo (see rock cut in video)

https://web.facebook.com/reel/1654378898873105 

sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

An English version of the info in above video

https://youtu.be/Rsoa_Er7gUo

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago

oh! god, the father was a hyderbadi. !!!

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