Russia now makes more oil revenues than it did before the start of the Ukraine war. This essentially means that it is a “reverse swing producer”…. where it reaps the benefits of punitive actions against it. In other words, a punishment is distorted into a reward.
It is also drawing out the conflict to make it reach the autumn/winter (4 months away) where it can enormously increase its leverage at negotiation. This is the same playbook for more than 2 centuries (Napolean/Hitler). This time Germany (and others) will suffer from rising energy prices without a substitute.
Russia is basically the Eurasian Taliban – but with a petro-state and a nuclear armoury – high pain thresholds and staying power. Good luck to all the galaxy-brains who thought a couple of drones would tilt a land war.
Ukraine is turning out to be the East European Pakistan – endless demands for money, weapons and sympathies. Isko bhi istamal karke phek denge!
DaThang
1 year ago
There is a new 2000 to 1800 year old sample from Cambodia with Indian ancestry.
regarding situation in sri lanka:
i) can jaffna tamils get their elam?
ii) can india be of any help in lanka so as to get a permanent foot in the island?
You have the Amartya Sen syndrome – just last year, he was expounding that Sri Lanka was doing better (LOL) than India (higher HDI, GDP per capita, happiness index – all true btw).
Tells you about 2 disparate topics –
1. the shittiness of perfectly well constructed economic indicators in relation to the real world.
2. the willingness of immigrant Indians in the West to grovel before lesser developed entities in order to gain their approval.
Call a spade a spade. You will lose your “respectability” but might gain something else.
Well considering how the things are between the state govt and center , there is a higher chance of india giving away Tamil Nadu to Sri Lanka, then vice versa 😂😂
Why not go the full hog, and just make Lanka an Union territory already 😛
principia
1 year ago
Crisis in Pakistan isn’t abating any time soon either. Despite breathless assurances that an IMF deal is just around the corner… it has been many weeks since negotiations first began.
Moreover, it will still take ~a month to approve everything because the IMF governing board has to review any initial deal being signed. At this pace, even if an agreement was struck tomorrow, they wouldn’t get any money until August.
SBP (their central bank) breaks down FX reserves by the week. The latest release showed they were losing $0.5 billion in a single week. Just to be clear, the IMF loan would only be for $1 billion in the first tranche. So unless my math fails me, they need to find lots of more loans – and fast!
It gets worse. Pakistan has issued 10 tenders for LNG imports between July and September. They didn’t even get a single offer. Loadshedding is set to get even worse than it is, which is deleterious for exports since industry obviously needs power to function. Already there are textile businessmen saying they are losing orders to India, Bangladesh because they can’t keep promises due to frequent power cuts.
Looks like the only two countries in the subcontinent with anything going for them is India and Bangladesh.
principia
1 year ago
New UK PM favorite is Rishi Sunak. The fact that nobody seems to care much about the prospect is interesting to me. I’m old enough to remember the endless media hype about Obama. Why doesn’t Sunak inspire the same coverage?
Maybe it’s because he’s a conservative that the media is less enthused about his rise? Or maybe desis are not seen as such a big breakthrough, given how successful they are in business and STEM/academia? Perhaps him not being a moslem works against him. Hindus are seen – rightfully so – as an assimilated minority, and so his elevation would be less unexpected. Or maybe it is his middle-class background that makes him “boring”?
Whatever the cause, weird to see such lackluster coverage from a media otherwise obsessed with idpol. Given the historical relationship between the Indian subcontinent and the UK, you’d think they would analyse the prospect more than they are.
P.S. I saw some liberal Indian woman lament on Twitter that while desis can have a decent shot at becoming PM in the UK, nobody non-Indian can become PM in India. This seems like a very stupid point; India is simply a net exporter of people and has a low median age. It’s simply not in a position to take in large amounts of immigrants, so the question should be moot. But some people just can’t resist taking potshots at India.
Sonia Gandhi is full Italian. She was most powerful person in India during Manmohan Singh era (could easily have become PM herself if she was Indian born – there is some legal ambiguity as far a i understand).
No legal ambiguity. You don’t need to be indian born to be indian PM. Just need to be naturalised indian citizen – same requirements for being an MP, which she is.
Roy
1 year ago
How Jewish Is the War Against Russia?
“It all sounds like deja vu all over again, particularly as many of the perpetrators are still around, like Nuland, priming the pump to go to war yet again for no reason. And they are joined by journalists like Bret Stephens at the New York Times, Wolf Blitzer and Jake Tapper at CNN, and also Max Boot at the Washington Post, all of whom are Jewish and can be counted on to write regular pieces both damning and demonizing Russia and its head of state Vladimir Putin, which means it is not only about the Middle East anymore. ” https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-jewish-is-the-war-against-russia/
Most American Jews are descended from Russian Jewish immigrants/refugees and they carry that historical animosity. Probably because they see Putin’s Russia as heir to Tsarist Russia and not USSR(American Jews were quite positive towards the Soviets). However, modern Russian Jews are doing very well. Many members of Putin’s inner circle such as oligarchs Roman Abramovich, Arkady Rotenberg, Petr Aven etc. are actually Jewish. So Jewish Americans need not be so antagonistic towards Russia!
The American Jewish elite is hostile to the idea of a multipolar world because the end of American hegemony would mean the end of Israel’s ability to bully and brutalize the Arab world.
Can tell if this is a serious paper or troll nonsense?
Brown
1 year ago
gotobaya went!!!
just saw print interviewing some lankans. well, nobody wants/likes india. i feel india should secure its defence interests and let sri lanka drift away as they wish.
thewarlock
1 year ago
“United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind
Associate Justice George Sutherland found that, while Thind, an Asian Indian, may claim to have “purity of Aryan blood” due to being “born in Village Taragarh Talawa near Jandiala Guru, Amritsar, Punjab” and having “high caste” status; he was not Caucasian in the “common understanding”, so he could not be included in the “statutory category as white persons”.
Ironically, the 1910 Encyclopedia Britannica entry on Hinduism that Justice Sutherland cites as his sole source for this history actually contradicts his conclusion about the Aryan invaders of Thinds birthplace in the Punjab and explicitly refers to the Aryan invaders of India as part of the white race.[4] The Court nonetheless also concluded that “the term ‘Aryan’ has to do with linguistic, and not necessarily with physical characteristics, and it would seem quite reasonable that mere resemblance in language, indicating a common linguistic root buried in remotely ancient soil, is altogether inadequate to prove common racial origin.”
According to the Court, “the Aryan theory, as a racial basis, seems to be discredited by most, if not all, modern writers on the subject of ethnology,” and it noted that “the Caucasic division of the human family is ‘in point of fact the most debatable field in the whole range of anthropological studies.'”
This Act reversed the Thind decision by explicitly extending racial eligibility for naturalization to natives of India, and set a token quota for their immigration at 100 per year.
In 1965, President Lyndon Johnson signed the Hart-Celler Immigration Act, which phased out the national origins quota system first instituted in 1921.”
How much and how little have changed.
thewarlock
1 year ago
Some Biradri sons of the Indus not doing so well in the UK. Really despicable. What must dwarf these numbers is the sex abuse of women of that community in their own homes. But don’t worry. They will brag about halfie Zayn Malik and their “aryan features” superiority over “Gangus.” Just pathetic
I feel most badly for the victims. But these despicable men are also ruining the name of Pak community overall abroad.
I know a lot of Pak American doctors, mostly Mohajirs for whatever reason. Lovely people. But these actions are really a stain on their diaspora, as are the ongoing issues in Turkey.
Maybe the community in America is extremely unrepresentative and the ones who emigrated to the UK are more so? Might explain a lot of why the two groups act so differently.
At least during the initial waves of emigration to the UK, you probably got a more “average” Pakistani migrant type. My sense is that selectivity has risen for Pak migrants in recent years and these days the ones coming into the UK aren’t very average anymore. The sole exception might be family visas, which still presumably has a significant share of proles living in places like Telford importing compliant wives from the Pak hinterland.
70% of UK Pakistanis are Mirpuris. UK wanted cheap labor to work in their factories in 60s and 70s and invited Mirpuris displaced by the construction of the Mangla dam to fill those low skilled jobs. Entire villages moved to the UK. Combine that with general racist environment in Europe, they never assimilated and now the result is segregated communities that came from a rural ancestral background. Something similar happened in France with Maghrebis.
US in contrast only attracted skilled labor, doctors, engineers, accountants, IT professionals etc, these immigrants came from urban Pakistan (mostly from Karachi or Lahore), and were more upward mobile. US is also a more accepting place for immigrants compared to Europe and opportunities are available to everyone willing to work.
This is the cause of why Pakistani diaspora in North America and UK are so different from each other. They had very little in common in the first place.
“29 year old Pakistani American girl #SaniaKhan murdered by her ex husband in Chicago. Sania used to make TikTok videos about the stigma of divorce in South Asian communities.”
Some thoughts:
a) Pakistanis are ~2% of UK’s population, .7% of Canada’s, and .17% of the US.
b) All the shitty bits Pakistanis will claim are ‘South Asian’, the good bits are ‘Pakistani’. No deal.
Pakistan’s top startup, Airlift, closed today. It had raised $ 85 million of Amreeki money over the years.
It was never a good business, they were trying to pivot from Uber rideshare (with Vans) to the even harder Doordash (i.e. Ola and Zomato in one for Indian bhai logg).
Most start-ups in the subcontinent are vapid fintech/gig economy scams funded by gullible investors.
India does have serious “deep tech” companies, and I hope they get more funding even if they lose money because at least there is progress for humanity. They also increase the national security of India. What does these feudal gig economy companies do? They just exploit labourers and add to the laziness of already too fat office workers.
The CCP made the right choice by cutting off these scams and only giving funding to companies doing stuff like quantum computing, chip engineering etc. Actual engineering, in other words.
Brown
1 year ago
internal migration into south india:
in recent days we all have seen/ heard/read about the migration to south india from other parts of india. this is mainly to cater to the labour shortage. of course there are better educated lo who come for software jobs and marwadi traders, but these are a minority as compared to construction labour. many of these labourers strike root here, they mainly bring their brides from home towns and put their children into local schools. kerala is seeing such children win ranks.
the main result of such migration is being seen on politics, the main beneficiary being bjp. also the ‘hindu deficit’ of these regions are getting corrected to a small extent!!.
sort of, if it pleases you!!!
kerala has 40 lakh migrants!!!, that is almost 10% of population. even if 70% of these are hindus(?), it adds to a reasonable number.
recently, prof.vaidyanathan was voicing similar concerns about tamil nadu.
well!!!
Yes , the celebrated Makar Sankratni, and then fooled u folks and became your political leaders
At least in our case the power still remains with us.
principia
1 year ago
On Indian internal migration: get ready for more. A *lot* more.
By 2036, a mere 14 years from now, states like Tamil Nadu will have more elderly than youth as a share of its population. Same is true for a bunch of other states.
Tamil Nadu’s GDP per capita is only $3600. For comparison, Ukraine had $4800 before the war.
What will TN have by 2036? Probably higher than what Ukraine had but probably lower than what Brazil has today. So Tamil Nadu will need immigrants because it won’t be rich by then and plenty of labour will still be needed. The only thing worse than being rich and old like Japan is being old and poor like many post-Soviet countries.
The reproductive rate of a society is decided by – the perception by current genes of the ability of offspring to propagate genes to the next generation.
As such,in countries which are okaish and fairly safe, women have lower tfr – around 1.2 is the base rate. See low rate in bangladesh even though it was lower for many years than india. The rates went lower as child mortality rates went lower.
Israel has higher rates cause women there perceive the danger and just having 1 child isn’t enough to guarantee the propagation of your genes, even if that child won’t die of diseases.
phyecho1
1 year ago
India needs to deal with the secular issue or with changing demography things will only get difficult. It will be economy vs demography that shall decide the future of India’s direction.
phyecho1
1 year ago
what projections do people make of India in next 50 to 100 yrs. economy/ demography, technology, military power etc.
Bangladeshi economy is not in as good condition as it is made out to be. I had noticed that about 2-3 months ago when the BDT was trading at 80-85, the black market rates were already about ~100-102. Now that currency is depreciating, it would be worse. I don’t understand why developing countries spend USD to bolster their currency. It is almost always useless.
I don’t understand why developing countries spend USD to bolster their currency. It is almost always useless.
National pride. A strong currency becomes a political football so the ruling party wants to avoid cheap shots by the opposition. Modi attacked Congress during the 2013 “taper tantrum” for the weakening rupee and now the oppo is doing the same to Modi.
Of course, in REER terms, the rupee hasn’t really depreciated but most people don’t know what REER or NEER means and politics is all about optics anyway.
principia
1 year ago
Remember Amy Wax? The racist Upenn law professor who had a grudge against Indian women?
It’s now a high probability that she gets sanctioned, which is a nice way of saying she gets fired and loses her tenure. For BP readers, this is an interesting tidbit:
2022 Penn Law graduate Apratim Vidyarthi, who has spearheaded student efforts to fire Wax.
After Wax claimed that “the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration” in December, Vidyarthi and other Penn Law students created a petition that garnered over 2,500 signatures from Penn Law students, Penn community members, and students from other law schools.
I am generally in favor of free speech but she repeatedly crossed the line into outright bigotry and racism. Good on ABCDs for fighting back. Too many Asians are passive.
Wax has of course started a “gofundme” for suckers to fund her legal fight. Let’s be clear: if she gets fired she will get a very comfortable pension and she’s at her end of her career anyway. And she’s asking for 300K! Not just a racist but a grifter to boot. The Chutzpah!
I suspect that if she does get fired, she will probably double and triple down on the racism. Any last remaining barriers will be gone.
owaisi has opened his account in madhya pradesh. the spread of pfi/sdpi is widespread. there appears to be a fierce competition for the muslim vote among these parties. congress is loosing this vote as it is balancing its ‘soft’ hindutva. looks like muslim representation will comedown as hindus will never vote for these parties and muslims cannot win only on their votes. there are muslim voices in congress who have started opposing ‘extremist’ tendencies in muslims. makes the scene very interesting.
Hey Razib, a few questions in mind I hope you’ll answer.
Q. Is it possible that AASI with whom Iran_HG admixed to form IVCp wasn’t pure AASI but had little bit of WEu ancestry, considering presence of Y-dna haplogroup H among lower castes and which is also found in Europe, though it’s totally restricted to India?
Q. Is it true average North Indian is 30-50% southern eurasian, while average South India is 40-60% southern eurasian?
Q. Are Black Sea Turks originally turkified Caucasians, given they score a lot of CHG?
Q. Do modern Maghrebis from northern part of North Africa really have 30-40% ancestry from bronze age southern Europe?
Q. Was CHG lighter than Natufians?
Q. What modern population has highest Natufian ancestry?
Q. Is it possible that AASI with whom Iran_HG admixed to form IVCp wasn’t pure AASI but had little bit of WEu ancestry, considering presence of Y-dna haplogroup H among lower castes and which is also found in Europe, though it’s totally restricted to India?
i think this is possible
Q. Is it true average North Indian is 30-50% southern eurasian, while average South India is 40-60% southern eurasian?
seems about right, though the difference is exaggerated by the oversampling of upper castes in the north and dalits in the south in the academic studies. generic reddy peasants and generic UP peasants are not as different. close to 50% both.
Q. Are Black Sea Turks originally turkified Caucasians, given they score a lot of CHG?
i mean they have some of that, but greek and Armenian took. also possible kurdish? (the safavids were all this)
Q. Do modern Maghrebis from northern part of North Africa really have 30-40% ancestry from bronze age southern Europe?
this seems way too high.
Q. Was CHG lighter than Natufians?
no idea. probably but not much
Q. What modern population has highest Natufian ancestry?
Do you mind commenting on my contentions from the araingang S Asian map thread?
Looks like he purposely used fits that underestimated steppe by a bit for several non NW groups. The populations he used have way worse fit scores in G25 than the conventional ones used lately for modeling. It seems potentially agenda driven.
honestly didn’t care enough to read in detail, but my exp. with him is that his priors/biases do effect how he samples/interprets things some. otoh, he doesn’t concoct stuff out of whole cloth, and in his defense he tends to be more straightfwd with his bias than a lot of the hindu nationalists who try th show how the aryans actually came form haryana…
i think the map is a good start. up to others to improve?
Thanks for your answers, Razib. I forgot to add one and last question.
What modern South Asian population is closest to Rakhigarhi woman? Baloch or Gujjar or other(if so, who is it)?
As per Shinde et al, Rakhigarhi woman was 73% Iran_HG+ 27%(AHG and WSHG); whereas, as per model of Davidski from Eurogene blog, she was 71.1% Iran_Ganj_Dareh+ 23.2% Onge+ 05.7% RUS_Tyumen?
‘ A more potent form of racism is in worship—like how resident Indians look up to the West. In return, the West does not spend much time thinking about India or Indians. So there is an unequal relationship between Westerners of Indian origin and their resident Indian admirers. Westerners of Indian origin do not appear to be as proud of India as India is of them, nor do they consider themselves Indians in the first place. But when it suits them, they do play the India card. For instance, every now and then, I would see a writer or academic “of Indian origin” make a decent living out of interpreting India, and even Asia, to the West. But if some Trump supporter asks him to “go back to your home country”, he would say that marvellous thing, “I was born in Houston.”
Maybe, in our subterranean consciousness, we know that logical reasoning will deny us the sensation of collective pride; so we take care not to let reason interfere with our quest to appropriate a foreigner’s success as our own.”
A few valid points, writing a point by point reply to this would suck up so much energy and time.
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IMO Indian diaspora really loves the motherland back.
All Indians wish they were a gora. Becoming a coconut and gagging on gora dick is a top-tier life goal for Indians.
I think physical infrastructure will give a lot of self confidence to Indian. Awe inspiring rail, big-ass bridges, roads, industry… These are what will rejuvenate India’s body, mind, and heart.
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Something that effects me personally is this :
“In a helpful generalization, the everyday US-bound Indian reaches there after a rigged race, as a consequence of his social fairness or wealth, and due to this fact on account of an enormous head begin over most Indians. This migration may be very completely different from what the West understands as migration.”
What advantage? Gajab ka chutiyapa hai yeh non-engineer Indian logon ka to shit on H1B-wale launde.
There are no elites in India. IT has generated the first true middle class. Almost everyone from our parent’s generation was poor and were upselling their true status.
Koi Hero ki CD Dawn chalayega toh usse elite bolenge, kisi ka baap bank chapraasi hai usse bhi elite bolenge, koi saala 5 logon ke saath kamra share kare woh bhi elite hai. Jabtak BC slumdog millionaire wale bhikhari na bano tabtak koi credit hi nai hai. Aur yeh sociology wale bakait logg kaun hai jo humein judge karenge?
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Millions of Indians were dying of hunger mere 80 years ago. Things take time.
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principia
1 year ago
RuPay, the domestic alternative to the Visa/Mastercard cartel, went from having 0.3% marketshare to over 60% in just nine years.
Great thread detailing the journey of how India did it.
The big challenge is now overseas expansion. Visa/Mastercard is controlled by America and it wants to keep its monopoly on payments for obvious geopolitical reasons.
RuPay’s internationalisation would undermine this hegemony, so expect USA to sabotage RuPay’s overseas expansion efforts.
Anti-IK crowd in Pakistan had predicted his demise after falling out with the army getting booted out of government, now they are afraid of IK coming back with 2/3rd majority even when he is the anti-establishment candidate- something which I already predicted more than 3 months ago when he was ousted. The cuck-vs-chad theory plays out again with expected results.
An Indian, and that too a female, in top 15 for all time hall of fame. Team USA mostly Chinese origin as usual. One Indian origin this year. he scored the lowest on the team.
Lookin at Indian teams istorically. Someone will complain about Bramin Bania oppression lol
For Chinese
Not only 4/6 of US
6/6 of Canada 🍁
3/6 of UK
5/6 of Malaysia
5/6 of Australia
And finally
16/44 gold medalists
6/10 with perfect score (42)
With brains like this, the West doesn’t stand a chance. The Chinese just need to reproduce, and they will rule the world for the next century at minimum.
Apparently they had a similar problem to the problem number 3 and 6 which gave most teams issues. This was by hapstance at some of their recent national tournaments. Nonetheless, they will regardless. But this was extra domination because of that
Hoju
1 year ago
Interesting map of percentage of people in poverty by state.
Hour-long monsoon walk across an aqueduct in the outskirts of Aluva, a community within the Kochi metropolitan area. So green and relaxing. Parts of Kerala feel a lot like Ubud in Bali.
Damn how do you guys make an account on this site? I tried to register, and cannot login. I have been lurking for over 2 years and finally decide to comment and this -_-
spar
1 year ago
generic reddy peasants and generic UP peasants are not as different. close to 50% both.
Razib, I would say that Northern Peasantry masses as a whole are different from Southern Peasantry masses. Though I
do agree that many of them can be quite similar (for instance large groups such as Kurmis and Reddys, barring the slight, non trivial steppe. the ‘steppe’ upto a certain amount is obviously noise/ indicator of some other component)
Meanwhile, Letters of Credit (LCs) are being quoted at 242 per dollar. That’s what banks use as compensation for importers. The LCs that are being completed today are for oil imports in June.
As you may remember, I’ve pointed out that Pakistan has failed to win a single LNG cargo for the entire July-September period. There are already long blackouts and they are set to get worse.
At this point I fear there is a significant risk we are headed to a humanitarian disaster in many emerging market countries.
My gut feeling is that Sri Lanka is possibly just the first domino. It has made investors quite fearful of emerging markets which then increases risk of default and creates a bit of a feedback loop.
I am not sure if the people in power in the global financial systems are sufficiently worried about these effects or just how easily things can spiral out of control.
Lot of Middle East and North Africa only exists due to foreign handouts. Particularly Egypt. That country should not have anywhere close 100 million people. The only reason it does so is because of cheap grain from Russia and Ukraine and American bribe money. If either stops, it is fucked and its millions of refugees will all go to Europe. Will the Europeans welcome them at train stations or will they be manning machine guns? Only time will tell!
Bhumiputra
1 year ago
Even BD is apparently staring down the barrel. Tough situation for IN with collapsing neighbors. Apart from refugee flows from SL and BD, curious if there are any macro economic risks for IN? FPI withdrawal?
Surprising(perhaps not so much) that there is a anti India current in the ongoing protests in SL inspite of IN helping with ~4B worth of aid. Resentiment perhaps.
Well there are macro-economic risks for everyone India is pretty well positioned relative to other emerging markets from a first principles type analysis.
Basically it makes its own food and has decently high economic complexity relative to other poor countries. The biggest import is petroleum / natural gas, but here it benefits from the Russia sanctions imposed by the West.
That said the Rupee falling relative to USD like any other emerging market currency. I think this is part of the cascade effect of people panicking about emerging markets. Not sure how this will lead to other follow on effects, as a whole it is too chaotic to predict. So I think this unknown is the biggest risk factor.
If world leaders get their shit together to a reasonable extent, possibly some buying opportunities in INR denominated assets, that is a big if.
Not investment advice, just rambling thoughts.
brown
1 year ago
mamata decides to abstain in vice president polls. shows that gujjus are real good deal makers!!!
would she have taken the same stance if a muslim was the opposition’s vp candidate? may not have happened. ignoring congress and its christian candidate is ok.!!
The VP candidate of BJP (Dhankar) is pretty meh. The VP position itself has less symbolic value, plus Dhankar wont get any extra votes for BJP, which Murmu (being President) can. The only reason Dhankar was selected i can see, is that he has to preside over the upper house from time to time, and that needs someone with political nous.
The reason TMC didn’t support Congress VP candidate, is exactly because she is a minority. And nothing to do with BJP deal making. The TMC wants the Congress space and supporting a minority Congress candidate, would mean ceding the minority vote back to Congress. I don’t they would have supported even if the Congress candidate was Muslim. Because at the end of the day, its a Congress candidate.
Hot take but I don’t think the average Indian wearing a T-shirt and jeans walking down the street looks all that great. Watching old YouTube videos, the people in them wearing traditional clothes, though poorer, still look sharper. Idk maybe those clothes just fit the Indian physique better than western clothing.
Indians who can afford Western clothing tend to be richer. Fitness culture has not fully permeated rich and middle class,though it is constantly making good inroads.
Poor Indians in traditional wear are skinny from underfed or lightly muscled with less bloated faces.
Middle class and rich ones are either pot bellied with skinny limbs aka skinny fat or obese. Younger gen has better body comp for sure.
nothing wrong with a pair of shorts and a hawaiian shirt if you can pull it off. agreed that many Indian men in India don’t have a great fashion sense when it comes to Western clothing. Interestingly in walking videos I’ve seen in Pakistan, the men there are more likely to wear traditional clothing. Which I think comes off looking better, although sometimes it also comes off as drab and dull (all men wearing beige/grey loose shalwar kameez, in an often dry-ish urban environment that also has much beige/grey).
Indian women still seem to wear traditional clothing more than men, and it looks great on them.
principia
1 year ago
India’s only aircraft carrier caught fire… again. Will be out of service for months.
It was built by the Soviet Union back in the day. Let’s not forget that Russia’s only carrier also caught fire pretty recently. Likely a quality issue.
In hindsight, was a mistake to lean so much on Soviets and later Russia for arms, at least outside of jets and anti-aircraft systems like S-400.
Brown
1 year ago
few stray thoughts:
i) social media activism is stinging higher judiciary. after pardiwala’s complaint, cji ramana is asking for regulation of social and electronic media. it is time to bring some oversight into judiciary’s appointments and conduct.
ii) after getting the mandate, ranil wikramasinghe’s govt. removes all protesters. if only our centre was half as this strong in caa and farmer’s agitation…..!!!
There is element of UP elections, especially holding Western UP. But another element:
It turned into a pan Jat protest with intermittent rioting. It was getting to the point of potentially compromising the army and national security. When a community is that entrenched into the security infrastructure, is that proximal to the capital, and is that dominant in food production, the state doesn’t have many options. Basically the community has massive subsidization of army and agricultural support. Opening these areas up to others will be very slow because blackmail can be used easily if it is too fast. Basically, there isn’t meritocracy or anything close to open competition with these things,to the extent that there should be. Dominance of certain communities will not go away so quickly in such essential things.
Agniveer protests, though mainly was many groups in North just upset about lost guaranteed jobs in a tough econ climate, was also many “martial groups” just angry about integrated divisions. Basically, these tend to be land owning plurality groups with a lot of street power in their respective states. They don’t want to give up guarantees government jobs and income at all costs because they, reasonably to an extent, do not trust the job creation environment of India. That being said, there is also an element of fear of giving up a guaranteed thing.
In some ways, this isn’t just classic demonized brahmin bania against dominant land owning castes. This is about subaltern OBCs against dominant land owning castes. The big argument the land owning castes use is that Bania Brahmin hegemony is using the veil of neoliberalism and will just exploit everyone.
Here is the thing. Indian agriculture is ultra unproductive, for global yield standards, and military spending on pensions is unsustainable. Money has to go towards modernization. Will there be some industrialists getting a bit too rich and exploiting things with more open market rules. Of course. But look at all Asian Tigers and how they rose. Key industrialist classes, even if corrupt, were instrumental. So there has to be checks and balances but the state must take some risks and be willing to alienate some self interested groups at some points.
Modi-Shah is way too focused on elections. The way they won in UP probably made them think they should have pushed harder because their numbers reflect that Western UP vote wasn’t even necessarily super essential for a majority. Some of it is also socialist RSS stepping in.
Reforms are just very tough in India. Everyone knows what needs to happen. But vested interests play a lot of games. Tribalism, the Indian variant, casteism, runs too deep.
Indian people are not children, 99% of them are just haramkhor. They understand what is right and wrong for the country, but they want the neighbor’s son to be Bhagat Singh while their ladla becomes civil servant.
I have written many times on BP on how almost every single government servant I know is a slacker and a thief. Government primary teachers employ fake teachers to do their jobs in villages, government office clerks work 3 hours a day, public sector research lab, or defence lab folks don’t do even one hour of work, professors don’t publish papers,…
Indians are just a haramkhor people. This happens when ‘becoming something’ is more important than ‘doing something’.
Now I understand all the nautanki about personal statements and volunteering etc that American med students have to do. All that is to try and find if someone is even interested in doing this.
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Government servants are overpaid but Indians.
You will never win an argument or get a concession from anyone in India, they will muddle it, throw random points, point to nuance, raise their voice, this-that, … They are just an evil-deceitful people fit to stand in visa lines and beg for visas. You see this in the quality of the roads, of houses, of human bodies, and economy in general. Lying only takes one so far.
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Till ~2005 people used to think and investigate before marrying off their daughters to someone employed in a private insurance or banking company. People love government jobs. They just want government to dole out money to them for no reason.
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“Will there be some industrialists getting a bit too rich and exploiting things with more open market rules. Of course.”
This is a lie. People keep running these ‘rich sahukar’, ‘lalchi bania’ tropes. So many marwari businesses failed in places like Jharkhand when mazdur andolan, fala-dhikana happpened. Now after being de-industrialized those places suck even worse. Then the ‘poor man’ will squat on his residential quarter for 30 years and ask for his job back or some made up severance pay demand.
Indians are just haramkhor. Remember this when dealing with them (i.e. us).
Rent seekers are not happy about losing to what they perceive to be crony capitalists. Frankly, even if not so crony, as you imply, they would still be mad. Rent seeking and its preservation seem to be the default goal.
Sack of the Hindu caravan, and future of Indian secularism
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Every 3 months Gupta ji makes an episode on how can opposition remove the BJP. A few months ago it was the (possibly) American funded campaign on regionalism, India is a union of states…, now it is this.
Shekhar Gupta is a sly man, I remember his ‘walk the talk’ interviews pre 2012-13 when he used to bare his fangs for Modi.
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Bhimrao
1 year ago
@Sumit
“I think 2nd gen are fed an idealized version of India by parents and cultural enrichment activities.”
+1
Indians are a morally and spiritually corrupt people.
I had a junior colleague, Gujju ABCD raised in Austin, his family were serious followers of Sivananda-Yoga/Divine Life Society with some BAPS culture thrown in, could play the tabla well. The guy was very articulate about Hindu religion, fit, well groomed, had a graduate engineering degree, and a well paying job. I would say his parents did a great job raising him. I root for such ABCDs, they are connected to India, ancestral spiritual traditions, and are honest human beings unlike their brethren in India. Looking at them makes me happy about what Indians can be if we had some money.
brown
1 year ago
@ surav,
Half of India ills will be taken care if there is an Agneepath schemes for Indian govt servants
modi in a way is doing it for ias, by reducing or rather not increasing their numbers. their quarter service reviews will have to start to weed out some of them.
in southern states, the govt offices are full of contract workers. the system cannot afford on rolls employees.
Though I don’t hold the Indian armed forces in very high regard, atleast they are still better than the useless sarkari babus, who are the bane of India. Everything they touch turns to dust.
Now they have got one up on army by pushing them into accepting agnipath scheme.
I wouldnt underestimate the sarkari babu power though. That’s y whatever modi is doing can be reversed quite quickly by next govt in power. What these jokers really need is total push out from the system which the agnipath scheme really is.
brown
1 year ago
after seeing liz truss on youtube, rishi rich looks like a maha rishi. i still feel that boris was a better candidate!!
thewarlock
1 year ago
S Asians at World Track Championship 2022 Javelin
2. Neeraj Chopra
5. Arshad Nadeem
10. Rohit Yadav
First off, wonderful work by S Asian brudas. Inb4 Indus gang/steppe supremacist commentary from Mr. agang. Full on gangetic plainsmen (never mind indo- ganetic plain is one, with haryana at center, but lets play game for a second) from UP also cracked top 10 at only 21. Potential is superb
Every Khalistani hates the UPHar/ उपहार (UP and Bihar Et. Al. and or also known as Gangetic Plains) labourer as it freshens up the wound of Anglo Sikh wars. Voices of Bhojpuri mercenaries resonates and and freshens up the deep pains inflicted by Purbiyas ransacking their land.
Present day Khalistanis find it hard to believe that forefathers of these slave labourers defeated us on battlefields at the peak of our empire.
Thus, the deep rooted abhorrence towards them.
Good news is tides are slowly but surely turning now.
The migrant Gangetic laborers are likely lower caste, so their ancestors are not the same ancestors of Purbiyas who were mostly upper caste. Big difference.
There is an element of racialized hatred. A big part of Khalistan is fueled by it. This 15% or so extra steppe in lieu of AASI seems to be causing a ton of downstream effects in racialized perceptions and treatment.
But there are groups like Yadavs who migrate and cluster with upper castes as well. So it isn’t as straightforward as that. Also gangetic Rajputs aren’t as far from OBC gangetics as say Jats are. Basically not all upper castes of gangetics are even THAT far from these laborers. So yeah, some of it is phenotype. But some of it is also low caste status/lower socioeconomics as well.
Khalistanis have a ton of hatred of all gangetic btw. Hatred Brahmin-Bania is a rallying cry for many. It isn’t just lower caste. There is an almost visceral response to these groups which they feel exploit the hardworking, humble Sikh yeoman-warrior that they see themselves as. They also shit on Rajputs as bitches of the Mughals and bring up that they were the true army against “oppression” and saviors of the downtrodden of the subcontinent, very ironic given how there are separate Gurudwaras for lower castes. Nonetheless, it helps them in the context of their leftist alliances in the West.
Indians are overly obsessed about caste, skincolor, ancestry etc. Migrants are primarily hated by the host population because they are seen as taking away jobs from the locals. The issue limits itself to economics if the migrants are from an upper socio economic background, because then they are higher in the pecking order than the general host population. However if the migrants are from a rural socioeconomic background, the migrants are also hated for their ‘backward’ culture and racialized slurs are used to denigrate the migrant’s places of origin as well. Nobody likes poor people swarming their places of abode (cities/countries) even if it is economically beneficial to the host.
The entire model you speak of is inverted in Pakistan, where migration happens from West to East or North to South, so you have fairer skinned Western shifted groups at the bottom of the socio economic ladder, yet there is no difference in how the host population sees them.
Indians are overly obsessed about caste, South Asian region is obsessed about skin color as whole, and NRIs are mostly obsessed about ancestry and DNA.
Also, warrior image is not how Biradri supremacists exactly stereotype any of gangetic plain at all. They view these mercenaries as agents of the British, that’s is. They have this tendency to view even there 5-10% extra steppe compared to gangetic upper castes as something that makes them part of some special warrior elite lineage compared to the more AASI “mongrelized” indo genetics to the East. They literally use this verbiage to describe gangetic peoples. And I know you downplay it but rural Punjab even in Pak has ugly racial views about gangetic Mohajirs, whether based on empirically stereotypes or not.
Urban Punjab on both sides is different. But that’s a different story. How race is perceived is a massive part of Biradri supremacist mindset. Hindu hatred is there among Khalistanis and Islamists alike. But the race element is definitely part of it.
Bengal genocide was just as much about race, if not even more, than religion.
Funny part is that 30-35% of Punjab is lower castes who cluster with middle/upper castes of gangetic plain and even a decent portion of dalits with lower castes elsewhere. But caste and race is definitely big. Pak not giving much of a shit of trafficking of lower caste mostly convers of Pak Christian girls is another example of it.
Regardless, another example is Marathas. Khalistanis have little respect for even martial demonstrated groups who are about as steppe as the migrant Biharis and UP people study. Marathas cluster with shudra groups like Patel of Western India. A huge portion of the army is modern day groups with little steppe. So Punjab has memories of even these types in their lands. That won’t save anyone from discrimination. Biradri ethnonationalism doesn’t care about history. It cares about building a narrative of separateness, which is just actually one for thinly veiled supremacy, at all costs.
If you see a lot of Pak biradri supremacist posters, they say they only respect the Jat and Sikh regiments of Indian army. Gangetic based regiments are seen as inferior. There is little rationality from any angle here. But their type of hatred is rarely about rationality.
Nobody cares about the so-called Pakistani biradari supremacists because they are a minority and a significantly less annoying portion of the community of bigots. It is the extremely loud and overly emotional Out-of-India morons who are considered, rightly so, to be the most toxic of all. Their toxicity is not merely due to their relative intensity of anger at not being believed by rational people but also due to the fact that they pretty much dominate the actual Indian political landscape.
Most so-called Pak biraderi supremacists are irrelevant American citizens of Pakistani origin with a secular orientation. In Pakistan, nobody really cares about steppe ancestry or how Aryan or how Harappan they are. Actual Pakistanis are more concerned about how Arabic they are, which they aren’t.
When it was revealed that the Rakhigarhi sample had no r1a, nobody in Pakistan cared or even knew. It was the Indians who totally lost their minds and were raging across every genetics-related blog with foam slipping out of their mouths.
The viewpoint of the Pakistani biraderi supremacists is far closer to the actual reality and truth compared to that of Indian Vedic supremacists, since the Paki biraderi people have accepted that the Aryans have come from Europe and conquered the region and thus spread their genes and most of their “other” views are spicy variants of this truth. The spice is often half-truths like they are the true descendants of IVC and that they taught the invading violent Aryans culture and thus so-called Brahmanism is actually an invention of ancient Pakistanis, who later migrated to India in large numbers but the origin “of all that is good about Vedic civilization” was in Pakistan since they taught the violent Aryans how to behave like proper terracotta-loving people, this may be atleast 30% or 45% true but it atleast has some truth. On the other hand, 100% of what the Indian Vedic supremacists claim is false. Indian vedic supremacists are also far more relevant since they pretty much dominate India politically and socially and are a far greater presence on the internet.
Probably exposure bias on my part. I think I pretty much never interact with them online. Most OOT people are laughed out the places I tend to frequent.
“It is the extremely loud and overly emotional Out-of-India morons who are considered, rightly so, to be the most toxic of all.”
Annoying yes, bigoted and toxic obviously no.
“Their toxicity is not merely due to their relative intensity of anger at not being believed by rational people but also due to the fact that they pretty much dominate the actual Indian political landscape.”
Again, this is false. I have never seen a angry OIT person, they sound stupid and argue a lot but they are far better behaved than the NW Khalistani or Pakistani folks.
“When it was revealed that the Rakhigarhi sample had no r1a, nobody in Pakistan cared or even knew. It was the Indians who totally lost their minds and were raging across every genetics-related blog with foam slipping out of their mouths.”
On the contrary, the ones outright denying AIT (Aryan migration? whatever) are considered stupid by almost everyone. The nitty gritty details of how Aryans came in can vary, but the basic theme was clear to everyone long before genetic evidence was available.
“The spice … has some truth.”
‘ancient Pakistan’, ‘Brahmanism’, LoL! Are you a Pakistani?
“On the other hand, 100% of what the Indian Vedic supremacists claim is false. Indian vedic supremacists are also far more relevant since they pretty much dominate India politically and socially and are a far greater presence on the internet.”
There are no vedic supremacists. Do you mean trads?
Trads are basically Baman-Thakurs who are pissed about caste based reservations. Maybe call them caste supremacists as they do talk about IQ and SC-ST pupil scores.
I have not seen trads be too much into OIT, one of their main point is that they are different (not genetically, genetics is only an important issue for US based Indians) from the SC-STs.
OIT folks are the nicer ones who want to fabricate a better sounding story that in their minds makes India stronger.
I agree. OIT people and modern Hindutuva (not all are OIT,most frankly believe in AMT) are subalteran positive movements. They believe in a civilizational dharmic identity to unify groups of subcontinent.
Trads, NW Khalistani types, and Pak Birardri nationalists are the ones who are truly in love with genetics to justify some inherent genetic superiority narrative. One group wants to promote brotherhood. The other is into hierarchy. Funnily enough, by islamic standards, if one buys the narrative of islam promoting egalitarianism, in this narrow context, the Hindu Nats are closer. And no one is saying Hindu Nats are into same2same. But they do not see the level of diversity as a barrier to common civilizational identity bonds.
On the other hand, the aforementioned supremacist groups have literal disgust for darker skin and more tropical features, for which AASI is a proxy. Not saying others are not biased in this way. S Asia has issues with it in general. But the specified groups take the cake by far.
Diaspora likes genetics because it is objective. DNA can be use to quantify differences. That is why they like it. If you can quantify, it increases rigor and robustness of arguments and theoretical models.
Look at Twitter btw. It’s funny how Khalistanis, Pak Punjabiyat Chauvanist types, and Trads (esp. Hindu Rajput supremacists) all follow one another. Nice group united by one thing in common. Racial hatred.
What ‘former gangetic supremacist’ said is true. There are no real Pak Biradari nationalists in Pakistan, the dynamics of Pakistani Punjab is completely different to that of Indian Punjab. Indian Punjabis have a superiority complex, because rest of the Indians fetishize them due to their comparatively lighter skin, western shifted features. Sikhs themselves had an empire so they also think highly of themselves, and their egos are boosted by notions amongst Hindus like being the sword arm of Hinduism. Muslim Punjabis do not have any such delusions, they don’t own the Punjabi Sikh empire. Their elite rather prefers learning Urdu and English and considers Punjabi backwards and rural. Other ethnic groups don’t fetishize them, rather actually dislike them for their majoritarianism. Most resident Pak Punjabis have taken up Muslim nationalism rather than ethnic chauvinism as a cause. (Even Araingang himself in one of the podcasts said he was into Muslim nationalism before he got into crafting that Indus narrative). The biradari supremacists warlock keeps talking about are nowhere to be found inside Pakistan, they are American or Canadian diaspora looking for a strong ethnic identity, especially when they face off in online debates with Indian or Afghan diaspora nationalists, all of whom seem to be facing the same idenitity crises living in the west.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhgOeraxa9Y
Sri Lanka’s situation makes me sad. They were doing so well and then all went to hell.
“You don’t score until you score.”
– Steve Stifler, American Pie Series
Beta house was the best one
Russia now makes more oil revenues than it did before the start of the Ukraine war. This essentially means that it is a “reverse swing producer”…. where it reaps the benefits of punitive actions against it. In other words, a punishment is distorted into a reward.
It is also drawing out the conflict to make it reach the autumn/winter (4 months away) where it can enormously increase its leverage at negotiation. This is the same playbook for more than 2 centuries (Napolean/Hitler). This time Germany (and others) will suffer from rising energy prices without a substitute.
Russia is basically the Eurasian Taliban – but with a petro-state and a nuclear armoury – high pain thresholds and staying power. Good luck to all the galaxy-brains who thought a couple of drones would tilt a land war.
Ukraine is turning out to be the East European Pakistan – endless demands for money, weapons and sympathies. Isko bhi istamal karke phek denge!
There is a new 2000 to 1800 year old sample from Cambodia with Indian ancestry.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.30.498315v1
regarding situation in sri lanka:
i) can jaffna tamils get their elam?
ii) can india be of any help in lanka so as to get a permanent foot in the island?
Just waiting for SL to sign the Instrument of Accession so that I can buy some beach properties while they are still cheap.
such things seem funny, but it often rubs the wrong way to a lot of these smaller countries around us and makes them hate us.
@phyecho1
You have the Amartya Sen syndrome – just last year, he was expounding that Sri Lanka was doing better (LOL) than India (higher HDI, GDP per capita, happiness index – all true btw).
Tells you about 2 disparate topics –
1. the shittiness of perfectly well constructed economic indicators in relation to the real world.
2. the willingness of immigrant Indians in the West to grovel before lesser developed entities in order to gain their approval.
Call a spade a spade. You will lose your “respectability” but might gain something else.
I don’t know who said it but it is applicable broadly to our neighborhood
“Grab them by the balls. Hearts and Minds will soon follow”
Well considering how the things are between the state govt and center , there is a higher chance of india giving away Tamil Nadu to Sri Lanka, then vice versa 😂😂
Better to give Bihar or UP to Bangladesh, they figured out a way to educate the masses and grow them out of poverty from that part of the world.
Why not go the full hog, and just make Lanka an Union territory already 😛
Crisis in Pakistan isn’t abating any time soon either. Despite breathless assurances that an IMF deal is just around the corner… it has been many weeks since negotiations first began.
Moreover, it will still take ~a month to approve everything because the IMF governing board has to review any initial deal being signed. At this pace, even if an agreement was struck tomorrow, they wouldn’t get any money until August.
SBP (their central bank) breaks down FX reserves by the week. The latest release showed they were losing $0.5 billion in a single week. Just to be clear, the IMF loan would only be for $1 billion in the first tranche. So unless my math fails me, they need to find lots of more loans – and fast!
It gets worse. Pakistan has issued 10 tenders for LNG imports between July and September. They didn’t even get a single offer. Loadshedding is set to get even worse than it is, which is deleterious for exports since industry obviously needs power to function. Already there are textile businessmen saying they are losing orders to India, Bangladesh because they can’t keep promises due to frequent power cuts.
Looks like the only two countries in the subcontinent with anything going for them is India and Bangladesh.
New UK PM favorite is Rishi Sunak. The fact that nobody seems to care much about the prospect is interesting to me. I’m old enough to remember the endless media hype about Obama. Why doesn’t Sunak inspire the same coverage?
Maybe it’s because he’s a conservative that the media is less enthused about his rise? Or maybe desis are not seen as such a big breakthrough, given how successful they are in business and STEM/academia? Perhaps him not being a moslem works against him. Hindus are seen – rightfully so – as an assimilated minority, and so his elevation would be less unexpected. Or maybe it is his middle-class background that makes him “boring”?
Whatever the cause, weird to see such lackluster coverage from a media otherwise obsessed with idpol. Given the historical relationship between the Indian subcontinent and the UK, you’d think they would analyse the prospect more than they are.
P.S. I saw some liberal Indian woman lament on Twitter that while desis can have a decent shot at becoming PM in the UK, nobody non-Indian can become PM in India. This seems like a very stupid point; India is simply a net exporter of people and has a low median age. It’s simply not in a position to take in large amounts of immigrants, so the question should be moot. But some people just can’t resist taking potshots at India.
“nobody non-Indian can become PM in India”
Sonia Gandhi is full Italian. She was most powerful person in India during Manmohan Singh era (could easily have become PM herself if she was Indian born – there is some legal ambiguity as far a i understand).
No legal ambiguity. You don’t need to be indian born to be indian PM. Just need to be naturalised indian citizen – same requirements for being an MP, which she is.
How Jewish Is the War Against Russia?
“It all sounds like deja vu all over again, particularly as many of the perpetrators are still around, like Nuland, priming the pump to go to war yet again for no reason. And they are joined by journalists like Bret Stephens at the New York Times, Wolf Blitzer and Jake Tapper at CNN, and also Max Boot at the Washington Post, all of whom are Jewish and can be counted on to write regular pieces both damning and demonizing Russia and its head of state Vladimir Putin, which means it is not only about the Middle East anymore. ”
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-jewish-is-the-war-against-russia/
Most American Jews are descended from Russian Jewish immigrants/refugees and they carry that historical animosity. Probably because they see Putin’s Russia as heir to Tsarist Russia and not USSR(American Jews were quite positive towards the Soviets). However, modern Russian Jews are doing very well. Many members of Putin’s inner circle such as oligarchs Roman Abramovich, Arkady Rotenberg, Petr Aven etc. are actually Jewish. So Jewish Americans need not be so antagonistic towards Russia!
The American Jewish elite is hostile to the idea of a multipolar world because the end of American hegemony would mean the end of Israel’s ability to bully and brutalize the Arab world.
Russia is helping Israel bombing Syria with impunity as I write this. So I am not sure if that story holds.
Not many sites will allow to post this comment 🙂
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-asian-studies/article/privilege-of-the-indian-passport-19471967-caste-class-and-the-afterlives-of-indenture-in-indian-diplomacy/FDC79CB96F09533606E43509F40A1ED4
Interesting research essentially claiming Indian Govt post Independence had a Caste-Biased Emigration to UK/West policy.
Can tell if this is a serious paper or troll nonsense?
gotobaya went!!!
just saw print interviewing some lankans. well, nobody wants/likes india. i feel india should secure its defence interests and let sri lanka drift away as they wish.
“United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind
Associate Justice George Sutherland found that, while Thind, an Asian Indian, may claim to have “purity of Aryan blood” due to being “born in Village Taragarh Talawa near Jandiala Guru, Amritsar, Punjab” and having “high caste” status; he was not Caucasian in the “common understanding”, so he could not be included in the “statutory category as white persons”.
Ironically, the 1910 Encyclopedia Britannica entry on Hinduism that Justice Sutherland cites as his sole source for this history actually contradicts his conclusion about the Aryan invaders of Thinds birthplace in the Punjab and explicitly refers to the Aryan invaders of India as part of the white race.[4] The Court nonetheless also concluded that “the term ‘Aryan’ has to do with linguistic, and not necessarily with physical characteristics, and it would seem quite reasonable that mere resemblance in language, indicating a common linguistic root buried in remotely ancient soil, is altogether inadequate to prove common racial origin.”
According to the Court, “the Aryan theory, as a racial basis, seems to be discredited by most, if not all, modern writers on the subject of ethnology,” and it noted that “the Caucasic division of the human family is ‘in point of fact the most debatable field in the whole range of anthropological studies.'”
This Act reversed the Thind decision by explicitly extending racial eligibility for naturalization to natives of India, and set a token quota for their immigration at 100 per year.
In 1965, President Lyndon Johnson signed the Hart-Celler Immigration Act, which phased out the national origins quota system first instituted in 1921.”
How much and how little have changed.
Some Biradri sons of the Indus not doing so well in the UK. Really despicable. What must dwarf these numbers is the sex abuse of women of that community in their own homes. But don’t worry. They will brag about halfie Zayn Malik and their “aryan features” superiority over “Gangus.” Just pathetic
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/12/over-1000-children-telford-sexually-exploited-inquiry-finds
I feel most badly for the victims. But these despicable men are also ruining the name of Pak community overall abroad.
I know a lot of Pak American doctors, mostly Mohajirs for whatever reason. Lovely people. But these actions are really a stain on their diaspora, as are the ongoing issues in Turkey.
Maybe the community in America is extremely unrepresentative and the ones who emigrated to the UK are more so? Might explain a lot of why the two groups act so differently.
At least during the initial waves of emigration to the UK, you probably got a more “average” Pakistani migrant type. My sense is that selectivity has risen for Pak migrants in recent years and these days the ones coming into the UK aren’t very average anymore. The sole exception might be family visas, which still presumably has a significant share of proles living in places like Telford importing compliant wives from the Pak hinterland.
70% of UK Pakistanis are Mirpuris. UK wanted cheap labor to work in their factories in 60s and 70s and invited Mirpuris displaced by the construction of the Mangla dam to fill those low skilled jobs. Entire villages moved to the UK. Combine that with general racist environment in Europe, they never assimilated and now the result is segregated communities that came from a rural ancestral background. Something similar happened in France with Maghrebis.
US in contrast only attracted skilled labor, doctors, engineers, accountants, IT professionals etc, these immigrants came from urban Pakistan (mostly from Karachi or Lahore), and were more upward mobile. US is also a more accepting place for immigrants compared to Europe and opportunities are available to everyone willing to work.
This is the cause of why Pakistani diaspora in North America and UK are so different from each other. They had very little in common in the first place.
https://mobile.twitter.com/HamzaAzhrSalam/status/1550049128574582786?cxt=HHwWhIC80Yne8IIrAAAA
“29 year old Pakistani American girl #SaniaKhan murdered by her ex husband in Chicago. Sania used to make TikTok videos about the stigma of divorce in South Asian communities.”
Some thoughts:
a) Pakistanis are ~2% of UK’s population, .7% of Canada’s, and .17% of the US.
b) All the shitty bits Pakistanis will claim are ‘South Asian’, the good bits are ‘Pakistani’. No deal.
Same game in Khalistan gang. Frankly,same game among Taiwanese with Chinese. If people can do it feasibly, they do it.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/12/over-1000-children-telford-sexually-exploited-inquiry-finds
Absolutely disturbing.
Absolutely sickening. No self-respecting nation should have to put up with this.
Agreed – https://twitter.com/InstaYatri/status/1545765520527351808
https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/12/airlift-shutdown/
Pakistan’s top startup, Airlift, closed today. It had raised $ 85 million of Amreeki money over the years.
It was never a good business, they were trying to pivot from Uber rideshare (with Vans) to the even harder Doordash (i.e. Ola and Zomato in one for Indian bhai logg).
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Most start-ups in the subcontinent are vapid fintech/gig economy scams funded by gullible investors.
India does have serious “deep tech” companies, and I hope they get more funding even if they lose money because at least there is progress for humanity. They also increase the national security of India. What does these feudal gig economy companies do? They just exploit labourers and add to the laziness of already too fat office workers.
The CCP made the right choice by cutting off these scams and only giving funding to companies doing stuff like quantum computing, chip engineering etc. Actual engineering, in other words.
internal migration into south india:
in recent days we all have seen/ heard/read about the migration to south india from other parts of india. this is mainly to cater to the labour shortage. of course there are better educated lo who come for software jobs and marwadi traders, but these are a minority as compared to construction labour. many of these labourers strike root here, they mainly bring their brides from home towns and put their children into local schools. kerala is seeing such children win ranks.
the main result of such migration is being seen on politics, the main beneficiary being bjp. also the ‘hindu deficit’ of these regions are getting corrected to a small extent!!.
“ also the ‘hindu deficit’ of these regions are getting corrected to a small extent!!.“
Are u talking about the less Hindu- more Hindu region theory , kind sir ? 😉
sort of, if it pleases you!!!
kerala has 40 lakh migrants!!!, that is almost 10% of population. even if 70% of these are hindus(?), it adds to a reasonable number.
recently, prof.vaidyanathan was voicing similar concerns about tamil nadu.
well!!!
Do not worry. We will make proper Hindus out of these states. 😉
We made Christians&Muslims Celebrate Makar Sankratni, you guys can’t even make them say Vande Mataram.
Yes , the celebrated Makar Sankratni, and then fooled u folks and became your political leaders
At least in our case the power still remains with us.
On Indian internal migration: get ready for more. A *lot* more.
By 2036, a mere 14 years from now, states like Tamil Nadu will have more elderly than youth as a share of its population. Same is true for a bunch of other states.
Tamil Nadu’s GDP per capita is only $3600. For comparison, Ukraine had $4800 before the war.
What will TN have by 2036? Probably higher than what Ukraine had but probably lower than what Brazil has today. So Tamil Nadu will need immigrants because it won’t be rich by then and plenty of labour will still be needed. The only thing worse than being rich and old like Japan is being old and poor like many post-Soviet countries.
i am puzzled by rapidly declining birth rates in places like india which remain quite poor.
israel seems like an outlier in so far as being relatively wealthy and having above replacement fertility.
The reproductive rate of a society is decided by – the perception by current genes of the ability of offspring to propagate genes to the next generation.
As such,in countries which are okaish and fairly safe, women have lower tfr – around 1.2 is the base rate. See low rate in bangladesh even though it was lower for many years than india. The rates went lower as child mortality rates went lower.
Israel has higher rates cause women there perceive the danger and just having 1 child isn’t enough to guarantee the propagation of your genes, even if that child won’t die of diseases.
India needs to deal with the secular issue or with changing demography things will only get difficult. It will be economy vs demography that shall decide the future of India’s direction.
what projections do people make of India in next 50 to 100 yrs. economy/ demography, technology, military power etc.
https://twitter.com/PaliwalAvi/status/1547351518915051521
Bangladeshi economy is not in as good condition as it is made out to be. I had noticed that about 2-3 months ago when the BDT was trading at 80-85, the black market rates were already about ~100-102. Now that currency is depreciating, it would be worse. I don’t understand why developing countries spend USD to bolster their currency. It is almost always useless.
National pride. A strong currency becomes a political football so the ruling party wants to avoid cheap shots by the opposition. Modi attacked Congress during the 2013 “taper tantrum” for the weakening rupee and now the oppo is doing the same to Modi.
Of course, in REER terms, the rupee hasn’t really depreciated but most people don’t know what REER or NEER means and politics is all about optics anyway.
Remember Amy Wax? The racist Upenn law professor who had a grudge against Indian women?
https://www.thedp.com/article/2022/07/amy-wax-penn-law-dean-report-major-sanctions-faculty-senate
It’s now a high probability that she gets sanctioned, which is a nice way of saying she gets fired and loses her tenure. For BP readers, this is an interesting tidbit:
I am generally in favor of free speech but she repeatedly crossed the line into outright bigotry and racism. Good on ABCDs for fighting back. Too many Asians are passive.
Wax has of course started a “gofundme” for suckers to fund her legal fight. Let’s be clear: if she gets fired she will get a very comfortable pension and she’s at her end of her career anyway. And she’s asking for 300K! Not just a racist but a grifter to boot. The Chutzpah!
I suspect that if she does get fired, she will probably double and triple down on the racism. Any last remaining barriers will be gone.
https://theprint.in/india/why-modi-govt-has-erased-a-35-year-old-unofficial-blacklist-of-sikh-foreign-nationals/292207/
Hmm
owaisi has opened his account in madhya pradesh. the spread of pfi/sdpi is widespread. there appears to be a fierce competition for the muslim vote among these parties. congress is loosing this vote as it is balancing its ‘soft’ hindutva. looks like muslim representation will comedown as hindus will never vote for these parties and muslims cannot win only on their votes. there are muslim voices in congress who have started opposing ‘extremist’ tendencies in muslims. makes the scene very interesting.
Hey Razib, a few questions in mind I hope you’ll answer.
Q. Is it possible that AASI with whom Iran_HG admixed to form IVCp wasn’t pure AASI but had little bit of WEu ancestry, considering presence of Y-dna haplogroup H among lower castes and which is also found in Europe, though it’s totally restricted to India?
Q. Is it true average North Indian is 30-50% southern eurasian, while average South India is 40-60% southern eurasian?
Q. Are Black Sea Turks originally turkified Caucasians, given they score a lot of CHG?
Q. Do modern Maghrebis from northern part of North Africa really have 30-40% ancestry from bronze age southern Europe?
Q. Was CHG lighter than Natufians?
Q. What modern population has highest Natufian ancestry?
Q. Is it possible that AASI with whom Iran_HG admixed to form IVCp wasn’t pure AASI but had little bit of WEu ancestry, considering presence of Y-dna haplogroup H among lower castes and which is also found in Europe, though it’s totally restricted to India?
i think this is possible
Q. Is it true average North Indian is 30-50% southern eurasian, while average South India is 40-60% southern eurasian?
seems about right, though the difference is exaggerated by the oversampling of upper castes in the north and dalits in the south in the academic studies. generic reddy peasants and generic UP peasants are not as different. close to 50% both.
Q. Are Black Sea Turks originally turkified Caucasians, given they score a lot of CHG?
i mean they have some of that, but greek and Armenian took. also possible kurdish? (the safavids were all this)
Q. Do modern Maghrebis from northern part of North Africa really have 30-40% ancestry from bronze age southern Europe?
this seems way too high.
Q. Was CHG lighter than Natufians?
no idea. probably but not much
Q. What modern population has highest Natufian ancestry?
probably arabians without African admix
Hey Razib,
Do you mind commenting on my contentions from the araingang S Asian map thread?
Looks like he purposely used fits that underestimated steppe by a bit for several non NW groups. The populations he used have way worse fit scores in G25 than the conventional ones used lately for modeling. It seems potentially agenda driven.
honestly didn’t care enough to read in detail, but my exp. with him is that his priors/biases do effect how he samples/interprets things some. otoh, he doesn’t concoct stuff out of whole cloth, and in his defense he tends to be more straightfwd with his bias than a lot of the hindu nationalists who try th show how the aryans actually came form haryana…
i think the map is a good start. up to others to improve?
Thats fair. I will look into making a more accurate map that better reflects much closer average map distances.
Thanks for your answers, Razib. I forgot to add one and last question.
What modern South Asian population is closest to Rakhigarhi woman? Baloch or Gujjar or other(if so, who is it)?
As per Shinde et al, Rakhigarhi woman was 73% Iran_HG+ 27%(AHG and WSHG); whereas, as per model of Davidski from Eurogene blog, she was 71.1% Iran_Ganj_Dareh+ 23.2% Onge+ 05.7% RUS_Tyumen?
https://www.baaznews.org/p/rishi-sunak-pm-sikhs-dangerous
Khalistani sympathizers are afraid of Sunak moment. Tells you somethin…
https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/whats-most-dreadful-about-rishi-sunak-as-the-uk-s-pm-11658084193203.html
‘ A more potent form of racism is in worship—like how resident Indians look up to the West. In return, the West does not spend much time thinking about India or Indians. So there is an unequal relationship between Westerners of Indian origin and their resident Indian admirers. Westerners of Indian origin do not appear to be as proud of India as India is of them, nor do they consider themselves Indians in the first place. But when it suits them, they do play the India card. For instance, every now and then, I would see a writer or academic “of Indian origin” make a decent living out of interpreting India, and even Asia, to the West. But if some Trump supporter asks him to “go back to your home country”, he would say that marvellous thing, “I was born in Houston.”
Maybe, in our subterranean consciousness, we know that logical reasoning will deny us the sensation of collective pride; so we take care not to let reason interfere with our quest to appropriate a foreigner’s success as our own.”
A few valid points, writing a point by point reply to this would suck up so much energy and time.
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IMO Indian diaspora really loves the motherland back.
All Indians wish they were a gora. Becoming a coconut and gagging on gora dick is a top-tier life goal for Indians.
I think physical infrastructure will give a lot of self confidence to Indian. Awe inspiring rail, big-ass bridges, roads, industry… These are what will rejuvenate India’s body, mind, and heart.
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Something that effects me personally is this :
“In a helpful generalization, the everyday US-bound Indian reaches there after a rigged race, as a consequence of his social fairness or wealth, and due to this fact on account of an enormous head begin over most Indians. This migration may be very completely different from what the West understands as migration.”
What advantage? Gajab ka chutiyapa hai yeh non-engineer Indian logon ka to shit on H1B-wale launde.
There are no elites in India. IT has generated the first true middle class. Almost everyone from our parent’s generation was poor and were upselling their true status.
Koi Hero ki CD Dawn chalayega toh usse elite bolenge, kisi ka baap bank chapraasi hai usse bhi elite bolenge, koi saala 5 logon ke saath kamra share kare woh bhi elite hai. Jabtak BC slumdog millionaire wale bhikhari na bano tabtak koi credit hi nai hai. Aur yeh sociology wale bakait logg kaun hai jo humein judge karenge?
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Millions of Indians were dying of hunger mere 80 years ago. Things take time.
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RuPay, the domestic alternative to the Visa/Mastercard cartel, went from having 0.3% marketshare to over 60% in just nine years.
Great thread detailing the journey of how India did it.
https://twitter.com/anshgupta64/status/1548510319164604416
The big challenge is now overseas expansion. Visa/Mastercard is controlled by America and it wants to keep its monopoly on payments for obvious geopolitical reasons.
RuPay’s internationalisation would undermine this hegemony, so expect USA to sabotage RuPay’s overseas expansion efforts.
https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/why-west-is-so-uncomfortable-with-rising-india-and-happy-to-sponsor-its-enemies-10924161.html
Finally people are beginning to see the reality for what it is. What took you so long guys, for me its age and maturity. But for an entire country?.
This is easy to answer. No state/civilization wants a potential rival.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/18/world/asia/pakistan-imran-khan-punjab-elections.html?smid=tw-share
Hopefully he comes back to power.
Anti-IK crowd in Pakistan had predicted his demise after falling out with the army getting booted out of government, now they are afraid of IK coming back with 2/3rd majority even when he is the anti-establishment candidate- something which I already predicted more than 3 months ago when he was ousted. The cuck-vs-chad theory plays out again with expected results.
Regional stability is better with him there in general.
I think assassination attempt will be final push for Bajwa.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2366664/rupee-hits-all-time-low-of-rs222-against-us-dollar
IMF deal is no panacea. Pak rupee was at 160 a year ago.
https://www.imo-official.org/hall.aspx
An Indian, and that too a female, in top 15 for all time hall of fame. Team USA mostly Chinese origin as usual. One Indian origin this year. he scored the lowest on the team.
Lookin at Indian teams istorically. Someone will complain about Bramin Bania oppression lol
Already pointed out in a comment that the long term trajectories of Indian math olympiad competitors are much better than those from China and Russia.
“An Indian, and that too a female, in top 15 for all time hall of fame. ”
Lol, Pranjal Srivastava is a boy not female hahaha @warlock.
oh wait. male actually.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/bengaluru-students-win-laurels-at-maths-olympiad/article65650760.ece
For Chinese
Not only 4/6 of US
6/6 of Canada 🍁
3/6 of UK
5/6 of Malaysia
5/6 of Australia
And finally
16/44 gold medalists
6/10 with perfect score (42)
With brains like this, the West doesn’t stand a chance. The Chinese just need to reproduce, and they will rule the world for the next century at minimum.
Chinese ethnics are kings of Math Olympiad. Unbeatable.
Eastern Euros really good too.
for the PRC team 6 out of 6 scores are 42 (perfect)
Apparently they had a similar problem to the problem number 3 and 6 which gave most teams issues. This was by hapstance at some of their recent national tournaments. Nonetheless, they will regardless. But this was extra domination because of that
Interesting map of percentage of people in poverty by state.
https://twitter.com/Hoju89/status/1549245126052139009?s=20&t=XkIPna7xVCdBXq2BzYDZEw
https://old.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/w2i848/state_wise_distribution_of_poverty_in_india/
Hour-long monsoon walk across an aqueduct in the outskirts of Aluva, a community within the Kochi metropolitan area. So green and relaxing. Parts of Kerala feel a lot like Ubud in Bali.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnv9pLM5NaA
Nice, verdant area. But Malayalis have to reflect on Sri Lanka, without the rest of India, Kerala would be in a similar or worse economic situation.
Simply, no desire to make things.
and if my aunt had balls…
Damn how do you guys make an account on this site? I tried to register, and cannot login. I have been lurking for over 2 years and finally decide to comment and this -_-
generic reddy peasants and generic UP peasants are not as different. close to 50% both.
Reddy_Telangana 0.329 0.581 0.091
Nadar 0.366 0.578 0.056
Panta_Kapu 0.274 0.651 0.075
Pattapu_Kapu 0.388 0.547 0.064
Yadav_UP 0.197 0.585 0.217
Kurmi_UP 0.312 0.526 0.162
Yadav_Rajasthan 0.163 0.611 0.226
Kurmi_MP3 0.322 0.520 0.159
Razib, I would say that Northern Peasantry masses as a whole are different from Southern Peasantry masses. Though I
do agree that many of them can be quite similar (for instance large groups such as Kurmis and Reddys, barring the slight, non trivial steppe. the ‘steppe’ upto a certain amount is obviously noise/ indicator of some other component)
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2367050/usd-crosses-rs229-in-interbank-market
Meanwhile, Letters of Credit (LCs) are being quoted at 242 per dollar. That’s what banks use as compensation for importers. The LCs that are being completed today are for oil imports in June.
As you may remember, I’ve pointed out that Pakistan has failed to win a single LNG cargo for the entire July-September period. There are already long blackouts and they are set to get worse.
At this point I fear there is a significant risk we are headed to a humanitarian disaster in many emerging market countries.
My gut feeling is that Sri Lanka is possibly just the first domino. It has made investors quite fearful of emerging markets which then increases risk of default and creates a bit of a feedback loop.
I am not sure if the people in power in the global financial systems are sufficiently worried about these effects or just how easily things can spiral out of control.
Lot of Middle East and North Africa only exists due to foreign handouts. Particularly Egypt. That country should not have anywhere close 100 million people. The only reason it does so is because of cheap grain from Russia and Ukraine and American bribe money. If either stops, it is fucked and its millions of refugees will all go to Europe. Will the Europeans welcome them at train stations or will they be manning machine guns? Only time will tell!
Even BD is apparently staring down the barrel. Tough situation for IN with collapsing neighbors. Apart from refugee flows from SL and BD, curious if there are any macro economic risks for IN? FPI withdrawal?
Surprising(perhaps not so much) that there is a anti India current in the ongoing protests in SL inspite of IN helping with ~4B worth of aid. Resentiment perhaps.
As long as there is India, there will be an anti India current in all the neighboring states.
Well there are macro-economic risks for everyone India is pretty well positioned relative to other emerging markets from a first principles type analysis.
Basically it makes its own food and has decently high economic complexity relative to other poor countries. The biggest import is petroleum / natural gas, but here it benefits from the Russia sanctions imposed by the West.
That said the Rupee falling relative to USD like any other emerging market currency. I think this is part of the cascade effect of people panicking about emerging markets. Not sure how this will lead to other follow on effects, as a whole it is too chaotic to predict. So I think this unknown is the biggest risk factor.
If world leaders get their shit together to a reasonable extent, possibly some buying opportunities in INR denominated assets, that is a big if.
Not investment advice, just rambling thoughts.
mamata decides to abstain in vice president polls. shows that gujjus are real good deal makers!!!
would she have taken the same stance if a muslim was the opposition’s vp candidate? may not have happened. ignoring congress and its christian candidate is ok.!!
I actually think the opposite.
The VP candidate of BJP (Dhankar) is pretty meh. The VP position itself has less symbolic value, plus Dhankar wont get any extra votes for BJP, which Murmu (being President) can. The only reason Dhankar was selected i can see, is that he has to preside over the upper house from time to time, and that needs someone with political nous.
The reason TMC didn’t support Congress VP candidate, is exactly because she is a minority. And nothing to do with BJP deal making. The TMC wants the Congress space and supporting a minority Congress candidate, would mean ceding the minority vote back to Congress. I don’t they would have supported even if the Congress candidate was Muslim. Because at the end of the day, its a Congress candidate.
https://www.quora.com/profile/Sher-Jatt-2?ch=10&oid=885970789&share=2ad7ce3f&srid=u6vS8&target_type=user
Fun reads from quora
20 min video showing village life in Tamil Nadu. Quaint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqmIl6tdOds
Hot take but I don’t think the average Indian wearing a T-shirt and jeans walking down the street looks all that great. Watching old YouTube videos, the people in them wearing traditional clothes, though poorer, still look sharper. Idk maybe those clothes just fit the Indian physique better than western clothing.
Indians who can afford Western clothing tend to be richer. Fitness culture has not fully permeated rich and middle class,though it is constantly making good inroads.
Poor Indians in traditional wear are skinny from underfed or lightly muscled with less bloated faces.
Middle class and rich ones are either pot bellied with skinny limbs aka skinny fat or obese. Younger gen has better body comp for sure.
Western clothing is horseshit for warm/hot climates.
nothing wrong with a pair of shorts and a hawaiian shirt if you can pull it off. agreed that many Indian men in India don’t have a great fashion sense when it comes to Western clothing. Interestingly in walking videos I’ve seen in Pakistan, the men there are more likely to wear traditional clothing. Which I think comes off looking better, although sometimes it also comes off as drab and dull (all men wearing beige/grey loose shalwar kameez, in an often dry-ish urban environment that also has much beige/grey).
Indian women still seem to wear traditional clothing more than men, and it looks great on them.
India’s only aircraft carrier caught fire… again. Will be out of service for months.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/fire-incident-aircraft-carrier-ins-vikramaditya-8042182/
It was built by the Soviet Union back in the day. Let’s not forget that Russia’s only carrier also caught fire pretty recently. Likely a quality issue.
In hindsight, was a mistake to lean so much on Soviets and later Russia for arms, at least outside of jets and anti-aircraft systems like S-400.
few stray thoughts:
i) social media activism is stinging higher judiciary. after pardiwala’s complaint, cji ramana is asking for regulation of social and electronic media. it is time to bring some oversight into judiciary’s appointments and conduct.
ii) after getting the mandate, ranil wikramasinghe’s govt. removes all protesters. if only our centre was half as this strong in caa and farmer’s agitation…..!!!
There is element of UP elections, especially holding Western UP. But another element:
It turned into a pan Jat protest with intermittent rioting. It was getting to the point of potentially compromising the army and national security. When a community is that entrenched into the security infrastructure, is that proximal to the capital, and is that dominant in food production, the state doesn’t have many options. Basically the community has massive subsidization of army and agricultural support. Opening these areas up to others will be very slow because blackmail can be used easily if it is too fast. Basically, there isn’t meritocracy or anything close to open competition with these things,to the extent that there should be. Dominance of certain communities will not go away so quickly in such essential things.
Agniveer protests, though mainly was many groups in North just upset about lost guaranteed jobs in a tough econ climate, was also many “martial groups” just angry about integrated divisions. Basically, these tend to be land owning plurality groups with a lot of street power in their respective states. They don’t want to give up guarantees government jobs and income at all costs because they, reasonably to an extent, do not trust the job creation environment of India. That being said, there is also an element of fear of giving up a guaranteed thing.
In some ways, this isn’t just classic demonized brahmin bania against dominant land owning castes. This is about subaltern OBCs against dominant land owning castes. The big argument the land owning castes use is that Bania Brahmin hegemony is using the veil of neoliberalism and will just exploit everyone.
Here is the thing. Indian agriculture is ultra unproductive, for global yield standards, and military spending on pensions is unsustainable. Money has to go towards modernization. Will there be some industrialists getting a bit too rich and exploiting things with more open market rules. Of course. But look at all Asian Tigers and how they rose. Key industrialist classes, even if corrupt, were instrumental. So there has to be checks and balances but the state must take some risks and be willing to alienate some self interested groups at some points.
Modi-Shah is way too focused on elections. The way they won in UP probably made them think they should have pushed harder because their numbers reflect that Western UP vote wasn’t even necessarily super essential for a majority. Some of it is also socialist RSS stepping in.
Reforms are just very tough in India. Everyone knows what needs to happen. But vested interests play a lot of games. Tribalism, the Indian variant, casteism, runs too deep.
“Money has to go towards modernization.”
Indian people are not children, 99% of them are just haramkhor. They understand what is right and wrong for the country, but they want the neighbor’s son to be Bhagat Singh while their ladla becomes civil servant.
I have written many times on BP on how almost every single government servant I know is a slacker and a thief. Government primary teachers employ fake teachers to do their jobs in villages, government office clerks work 3 hours a day, public sector research lab, or defence lab folks don’t do even one hour of work, professors don’t publish papers,…
Indians are just a haramkhor people. This happens when ‘becoming something’ is more important than ‘doing something’.
Now I understand all the nautanki about personal statements and volunteering etc that American med students have to do. All that is to try and find if someone is even interested in doing this.
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Government servants are overpaid but Indians.
You will never win an argument or get a concession from anyone in India, they will muddle it, throw random points, point to nuance, raise their voice, this-that, … They are just an evil-deceitful people fit to stand in visa lines and beg for visas. You see this in the quality of the roads, of houses, of human bodies, and economy in general. Lying only takes one so far.
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Till ~2005 people used to think and investigate before marrying off their daughters to someone employed in a private insurance or banking company. People love government jobs. They just want government to dole out money to them for no reason.
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“Will there be some industrialists getting a bit too rich and exploiting things with more open market rules. Of course.”
This is a lie. People keep running these ‘rich sahukar’, ‘lalchi bania’ tropes. So many marwari businesses failed in places like Jharkhand when mazdur andolan, fala-dhikana happpened. Now after being de-industrialized those places suck even worse. Then the ‘poor man’ will squat on his residential quarter for 30 years and ask for his job back or some made up severance pay demand.
Indians are just haramkhor. Remember this when dealing with them (i.e. us).
*Government servants are overpaid but Indians who have government jobs will never admit it. They will make up some sob stories and lie to your face.
Rent seekers are not happy about losing to what they perceive to be crony capitalists. Frankly, even if not so crony, as you imply, they would still be mad. Rent seeking and its preservation seem to be the default goal.
Half of India ills will be taken care if there is an Agneepath schemes for Indian govt servants
“ Indians are just haramkhor.”
The movie “white tiger” drilled this in for me. (Every character in the movie is a haram khor, the guy wins by becoming the biggest haram khor)
I think 2nd gen are fed an idealized version of India by parents and cultural enrichment activities.
Once you realize most are haramkhor virtue signalling along whatever religious / political lines they support things become easier to understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyL1_PldJBk
Sack of the Hindu caravan, and future of Indian secularism
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Every 3 months Gupta ji makes an episode on how can opposition remove the BJP. A few months ago it was the (possibly) American funded campaign on regionalism, India is a union of states…, now it is this.
Shekhar Gupta is a sly man, I remember his ‘walk the talk’ interviews pre 2012-13 when he used to bare his fangs for Modi.
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@Sumit
“I think 2nd gen are fed an idealized version of India by parents and cultural enrichment activities.”
+1
Indians are a morally and spiritually corrupt people.
I had a junior colleague, Gujju ABCD raised in Austin, his family were serious followers of Sivananda-Yoga/Divine Life Society with some BAPS culture thrown in, could play the tabla well. The guy was very articulate about Hindu religion, fit, well groomed, had a graduate engineering degree, and a well paying job. I would say his parents did a great job raising him. I root for such ABCDs, they are connected to India, ancestral spiritual traditions, and are honest human beings unlike their brethren in India. Looking at them makes me happy about what Indians can be if we had some money.
@ surav,
Half of India ills will be taken care if there is an Agneepath schemes for Indian govt servants
modi in a way is doing it for ias, by reducing or rather not increasing their numbers. their quarter service reviews will have to start to weed out some of them.
in southern states, the govt offices are full of contract workers. the system cannot afford on rolls employees.
Though I don’t hold the Indian armed forces in very high regard, atleast they are still better than the useless sarkari babus, who are the bane of India. Everything they touch turns to dust.
Now they have got one up on army by pushing them into accepting agnipath scheme.
I wouldnt underestimate the sarkari babu power though. That’s y whatever modi is doing can be reversed quite quickly by next govt in power. What these jokers really need is total push out from the system which the agnipath scheme really is.
after seeing liz truss on youtube, rishi rich looks like a maha rishi. i still feel that boris was a better candidate!!
S Asians at World Track Championship 2022 Javelin
2. Neeraj Chopra
5. Arshad Nadeem
10. Rohit Yadav
First off, wonderful work by S Asian brudas. Inb4 Indus gang/steppe supremacist commentary from Mr. agang. Full on gangetic plainsmen (never mind indo- ganetic plain is one, with haryana at center, but lets play game for a second) from UP also cracked top 10 at only 21. Potential is superb
@Bimrao
@Saurav
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDJXuSDRqbM
Every Khalistani hates the UPHar/ उपहार (UP and Bihar Et. Al. and or also known as Gangetic Plains) labourer as it freshens up the wound of Anglo Sikh wars. Voices of Bhojpuri mercenaries resonates and and freshens up the deep pains inflicted by Purbiyas ransacking their land.
Present day Khalistanis find it hard to believe that forefathers of these slave labourers defeated us on battlefields at the peak of our empire.
Thus, the deep rooted abhorrence towards them.
Good news is tides are slowly but surely turning now.
Wow, another Saurav from UP, on the blog. What were the odds?
The migrant Gangetic laborers are likely lower caste, so their ancestors are not the same ancestors of Purbiyas who were mostly upper caste. Big difference.
There is an element of racialized hatred. A big part of Khalistan is fueled by it. This 15% or so extra steppe in lieu of AASI seems to be causing a ton of downstream effects in racialized perceptions and treatment.
But there are groups like Yadavs who migrate and cluster with upper castes as well. So it isn’t as straightforward as that. Also gangetic Rajputs aren’t as far from OBC gangetics as say Jats are. Basically not all upper castes of gangetics are even THAT far from these laborers. So yeah, some of it is phenotype. But some of it is also low caste status/lower socioeconomics as well.
Khalistanis have a ton of hatred of all gangetic btw. Hatred Brahmin-Bania is a rallying cry for many. It isn’t just lower caste. There is an almost visceral response to these groups which they feel exploit the hardworking, humble Sikh yeoman-warrior that they see themselves as. They also shit on Rajputs as bitches of the Mughals and bring up that they were the true army against “oppression” and saviors of the downtrodden of the subcontinent, very ironic given how there are separate Gurudwaras for lower castes. Nonetheless, it helps them in the context of their leftist alliances in the West.
Indians are overly obsessed about caste, skincolor, ancestry etc. Migrants are primarily hated by the host population because they are seen as taking away jobs from the locals. The issue limits itself to economics if the migrants are from an upper socio economic background, because then they are higher in the pecking order than the general host population. However if the migrants are from a rural socioeconomic background, the migrants are also hated for their ‘backward’ culture and racialized slurs are used to denigrate the migrant’s places of origin as well. Nobody likes poor people swarming their places of abode (cities/countries) even if it is economically beneficial to the host.
The entire model you speak of is inverted in Pakistan, where migration happens from West to East or North to South, so you have fairer skinned Western shifted groups at the bottom of the socio economic ladder, yet there is no difference in how the host population sees them.
Small correction.
Indians are overly obsessed about caste, South Asian region is obsessed about skin color as whole, and NRIs are mostly obsessed about ancestry and DNA.
Also, warrior image is not how Biradri supremacists exactly stereotype any of gangetic plain at all. They view these mercenaries as agents of the British, that’s is. They have this tendency to view even there 5-10% extra steppe compared to gangetic upper castes as something that makes them part of some special warrior elite lineage compared to the more AASI “mongrelized” indo genetics to the East. They literally use this verbiage to describe gangetic peoples. And I know you downplay it but rural Punjab even in Pak has ugly racial views about gangetic Mohajirs, whether based on empirically stereotypes or not.
Urban Punjab on both sides is different. But that’s a different story. How race is perceived is a massive part of Biradri supremacist mindset. Hindu hatred is there among Khalistanis and Islamists alike. But the race element is definitely part of it.
Bengal genocide was just as much about race, if not even more, than religion.
Funny part is that 30-35% of Punjab is lower castes who cluster with middle/upper castes of gangetic plain and even a decent portion of dalits with lower castes elsewhere. But caste and race is definitely big. Pak not giving much of a shit of trafficking of lower caste mostly convers of Pak Christian girls is another example of it.
Regardless, another example is Marathas. Khalistanis have little respect for even martial demonstrated groups who are about as steppe as the migrant Biharis and UP people study. Marathas cluster with shudra groups like Patel of Western India. A huge portion of the army is modern day groups with little steppe. So Punjab has memories of even these types in their lands. That won’t save anyone from discrimination. Biradri ethnonationalism doesn’t care about history. It cares about building a narrative of separateness, which is just actually one for thinly veiled supremacy, at all costs.
If you see a lot of Pak biradri supremacist posters, they say they only respect the Jat and Sikh regiments of Indian army. Gangetic based regiments are seen as inferior. There is little rationality from any angle here. But their type of hatred is rarely about rationality.
Nobody cares about the so-called Pakistani biradari supremacists because they are a minority and a significantly less annoying portion of the community of bigots. It is the extremely loud and overly emotional Out-of-India morons who are considered, rightly so, to be the most toxic of all. Their toxicity is not merely due to their relative intensity of anger at not being believed by rational people but also due to the fact that they pretty much dominate the actual Indian political landscape.
Most so-called Pak biraderi supremacists are irrelevant American citizens of Pakistani origin with a secular orientation. In Pakistan, nobody really cares about steppe ancestry or how Aryan or how Harappan they are. Actual Pakistanis are more concerned about how Arabic they are, which they aren’t.
When it was revealed that the Rakhigarhi sample had no r1a, nobody in Pakistan cared or even knew. It was the Indians who totally lost their minds and were raging across every genetics-related blog with foam slipping out of their mouths.
The viewpoint of the Pakistani biraderi supremacists is far closer to the actual reality and truth compared to that of Indian Vedic supremacists, since the Paki biraderi people have accepted that the Aryans have come from Europe and conquered the region and thus spread their genes and most of their “other” views are spicy variants of this truth. The spice is often half-truths like they are the true descendants of IVC and that they taught the invading violent Aryans culture and thus so-called Brahmanism is actually an invention of ancient Pakistanis, who later migrated to India in large numbers but the origin “of all that is good about Vedic civilization” was in Pakistan since they taught the violent Aryans how to behave like proper terracotta-loving people, this may be atleast 30% or 45% true but it atleast has some truth. On the other hand, 100% of what the Indian Vedic supremacists claim is false. Indian vedic supremacists are also far more relevant since they pretty much dominate India politically and socially and are a far greater presence on the internet.
@Former Gangetic
Probably exposure bias on my part. I think I pretty much never interact with them online. Most OOT people are laughed out the places I tend to frequent.
“It is the extremely loud and overly emotional Out-of-India morons who are considered, rightly so, to be the most toxic of all.”
Annoying yes, bigoted and toxic obviously no.
“Their toxicity is not merely due to their relative intensity of anger at not being believed by rational people but also due to the fact that they pretty much dominate the actual Indian political landscape.”
Again, this is false. I have never seen a angry OIT person, they sound stupid and argue a lot but they are far better behaved than the NW Khalistani or Pakistani folks.
“When it was revealed that the Rakhigarhi sample had no r1a, nobody in Pakistan cared or even knew. It was the Indians who totally lost their minds and were raging across every genetics-related blog with foam slipping out of their mouths.”
On the contrary, the ones outright denying AIT (Aryan migration? whatever) are considered stupid by almost everyone. The nitty gritty details of how Aryans came in can vary, but the basic theme was clear to everyone long before genetic evidence was available.
“The spice … has some truth.”
‘ancient Pakistan’, ‘Brahmanism’, LoL! Are you a Pakistani?
“On the other hand, 100% of what the Indian Vedic supremacists claim is false. Indian vedic supremacists are also far more relevant since they pretty much dominate India politically and socially and are a far greater presence on the internet.”
There are no vedic supremacists. Do you mean trads?
Trads are basically Baman-Thakurs who are pissed about caste based reservations. Maybe call them caste supremacists as they do talk about IQ and SC-ST pupil scores.
I have not seen trads be too much into OIT, one of their main point is that they are different (not genetically, genetics is only an important issue for US based Indians) from the SC-STs.
OIT folks are the nicer ones who want to fabricate a better sounding story that in their minds makes India stronger.
@Bhimrao
I agree. OIT people and modern Hindutuva (not all are OIT,most frankly believe in AMT) are subalteran positive movements. They believe in a civilizational dharmic identity to unify groups of subcontinent.
Trads, NW Khalistani types, and Pak Birardri nationalists are the ones who are truly in love with genetics to justify some inherent genetic superiority narrative. One group wants to promote brotherhood. The other is into hierarchy. Funnily enough, by islamic standards, if one buys the narrative of islam promoting egalitarianism, in this narrow context, the Hindu Nats are closer. And no one is saying Hindu Nats are into same2same. But they do not see the level of diversity as a barrier to common civilizational identity bonds.
On the other hand, the aforementioned supremacist groups have literal disgust for darker skin and more tropical features, for which AASI is a proxy. Not saying others are not biased in this way. S Asia has issues with it in general. But the specified groups take the cake by far.
Diaspora likes genetics because it is objective. DNA can be use to quantify differences. That is why they like it. If you can quantify, it increases rigor and robustness of arguments and theoretical models.
Look at Twitter btw. It’s funny how Khalistanis, Pak Punjabiyat Chauvanist types, and Trads (esp. Hindu Rajput supremacists) all follow one another. Nice group united by one thing in common. Racial hatred.
What ‘former gangetic supremacist’ said is true. There are no real Pak Biradari nationalists in Pakistan, the dynamics of Pakistani Punjab is completely different to that of Indian Punjab. Indian Punjabis have a superiority complex, because rest of the Indians fetishize them due to their comparatively lighter skin, western shifted features. Sikhs themselves had an empire so they also think highly of themselves, and their egos are boosted by notions amongst Hindus like being the sword arm of Hinduism. Muslim Punjabis do not have any such delusions, they don’t own the Punjabi Sikh empire. Their elite rather prefers learning Urdu and English and considers Punjabi backwards and rural. Other ethnic groups don’t fetishize them, rather actually dislike them for their majoritarianism. Most resident Pak Punjabis have taken up Muslim nationalism rather than ethnic chauvinism as a cause. (Even Araingang himself in one of the podcasts said he was into Muslim nationalism before he got into crafting that Indus narrative). The biradari supremacists warlock keeps talking about are nowhere to be found inside Pakistan, they are American or Canadian diaspora looking for a strong ethnic identity, especially when they face off in online debates with Indian or Afghan diaspora nationalists, all of whom seem to be facing the same idenitity crises living in the west.
Neither ‘Pak Biradari nationalists’, nor ‘Indian Vedic supremacists’ exist in a world outside the internet.
But then i have been saying this for the longest time.