Afghanistan’s History (a)

Special thanks to Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar for sending this. I would start watching this excellent Dari Farsi documentary 1 minute 19 seconds in. There are many excellent ancient maps of central and south Asia.

 

I just want to watch this again and again, just to listen to the narrator’s voice. Majestic, wise, soft and sweet. For those so sure Afghanistan will fall; any nation with voices like this is perchance stronger than she appears. This may be where the homo sapien sapien modern civilization was born.

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Afghanistan’s History

 

Avtar Singh Khalsa: Lion of Afghanistan

6 Replies to “Afghanistan’s History (a)”

  1. AnAn worte:

    “Special thanks to Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar for sending this.”

    Most welcome.

    3:06 Avestan Vishstasph appears in the Rig Veda as Ishtashva in the description of the Varsagira War between the Vedic and the peoples who eventually became the Iranians.

    9:06 Wusun is a Sino Tibetan cognate of Vedic Ashvins

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wusun

    Ashvins are twin Vedic gods related to horses. They are maritime gods as horses were imported from the Arabian peninsula before contact with the Central Asian varieties.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashvins

    “The Ashvins are an instance of the Proto-Indo-European divine horse twins.[3][4][2] Their cognates in other Indo-European mythologies include the Baltic Ašvieniai, the Greek Castor and Polux; and possibly the English Hengist and Horsa, and the Welsh Bran and Manawydan.[3] The first mention of the Nasatya twins is from the Mitanni documents of the second millennium BCE, where they are invoked in a treaty between Suppiluliuma and Shattiwaza, respectively kings of the Hittites and the Mitanni.[5]”

    The Wusuns are the ones who carried Tocharian languages to the east and most likely brought horses and chariot terminology during the time of the Zhou dyansty

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032697/Trip-Zhou-Remains-horses-chariots-unearthed-3-000-year-old-Chinese-Dynastys-tomb.html

    The date squares very well with the fifth and the last equestrian phase of IE expansions according to linguist Igor TB.

    1. MMK, you are avoiding answering questions about Lepenski Vir, Blagotin, Vinca. According to OIT these people should originate in SA. However, these people (12k, 9k and 8k years old) survived the Ice Age in these places. Western scholars also do the same thing by producing maps without Lepenski Vir and Vinca because their theories claim that so-called “Indo-Europeans” originated several thousands of years later on some different places.

      You are also trying to divert attention to some ancient words by quoting several languages (some are actually parts of Serbian) but specifically avoiding mentioning that Serbian language existed at all. There was mentioned the word HORS. It is not serious when you quote Wiki which says that it is English (your emphasis). English was formed in 12.cAC and we are talking about Hors couple thousands of years earlier.

      Div (god) Perun in old times had less importance and only later became one of the great gods, also occurs in Aryans in India. In India, it was called Perdjania, a title later added to Indra. The white horse was a symbol of the sun god because the old Serbs believed that the sun rode through the sky on a white horse. This sun-white horse was called Hors, and it is a name present in medieval Serbian language so as in Russian. Hors is sometimes presented with wings. Horse is also found in Media and Persia under the same or slightly changed name. Waddell (Austine Waddell: The Phoenician Origin of Britons, Scots and Anglo-Saxons, Williams and Norgate, London, 1925) says: “Persis had a sun god named Horus, the same as the Egyptian Horus. It’s a sun god, a warrior leader on a horse who is killing a snake. In Christianity it is St. George.” From this we conclude that the Egyptian Horus is the same as the Serbian Hors which was brought to Egypt in the time of Hyksos.

    2. MMK, you also mentioned some ancient people for e.g. Yuezhi.

      What wiki says: “The Yuezhi were an ancient Indo-European people…… The Greater Yuezhi initially migrated northwest into the Ili Valley (on the modern borders of China and Kazakhstan), where they reportedly displaced elements of the Sakas. They were driven from the Ili Valley by the Wusun and migrated southward to Sogdia……. The Lesser Yuezhi migrated southward to the edge of the Tibetan Plateau……… Some scholars have associated the Yuezhi with artefacts of extinct cultures in the Tarim Basin, such as the Tarim mummies and texts recording the Tocharian languages……..”

      ‘Yuezhi’ is one of the names how Chinese people called Serbs. There is a long history of interactions and co-existence between Chinese and Serbs what included also many wars against Mongols and between them.

      Someone here could say – If Serbs lived for thousands of years in China, Tibet, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Central Asia, etc. they should leave there many their toponyms.

      I would answer – Yep, you are absolutely right, and I will provide these toponyms in a few days. These toponyms can also shed some new lights on Aryan migration to India where many have a myopic view assuming that Aryans are an exclusive India’s issue.

      1. Milan Todorovic

        ‘Yuezhi’ is one of the names how Chinese people called Serbs. There is a long history of interactions and co-existence between Chinese and Serbs what included also many wars against Mongols and between them.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuezhi

        Looking at the map to the right, the Yuezhi went around the Wusun, through BMAC and ended in modern Pakistan 30 BCE. They could explain some of the percentage steppe ancestries being discussed by the genenticists. It does not look like they made it up to the west of the Caspian.

        “Someone here could say – If Serbs lived for thousands of years in China, Tibet, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Central Asia, etc. they should leave there many their toponyms.”

        There is little doubt that the Serbs are more ancient than modern scholarship wants them to be. They have links to the Serbinda mentioned in the Rig Veda. Roman sources have also linked them to the Pakhtun tribes Sarban around the beginning of the Christian era.

        In addition to the toponyms another way to do this would be to hunt for Sino Tibetan loan words in Serbian. Igor TB has been working on Sino Tibetan loan words in Germanic and found important words like “tausen” thousand, “tub” tub. The contact between the two are so strong that Gamkralidze and Ivanov would have the Germanics first turn east from their Aremenian homeland! (citing Talageri from memory).

  2. You are losing focus, MMK. Yuezhi did not need to go west to have connections with Serbs. Their ancestors including other “Indo-European” tribes originated in Europe and moved east over the entire Russia up to China and Japan. You are also forgetting that Germans are not indigenous European people, they were the last tribe to leave Asia before Huns came to Europe.

    I wrote before about this, they looked very different at that time and today’s typical look (especially Prussians and East Germans) are actually Germanized Serbs. ‘Original’ Germans, black haired and dark, are more on the west (Bavaria). And, because they lived next to Chinese (some historians say – Manchuria) their language may have borrowings from Chinese although, today’s German language was formed in the 14th cAC with extensive borrowings from Serbian language. The official name for Germans in the whole Slavic world is – Nemci (i.e. mute, who cannot speak). As indigenous European people, Serbs (in Europe) did not have contacts with Chinese and there are no borrowings from them.

    You told me about Chinese writings about ‘northern people’, who founded, at least, one Chinese dynasty. In one period these ‘northern people’ (i.e. Serbs) were fighting Mongols and Chinese were paying them for protection, later they were fighting between themselves. It is worth saying that Chinese came to Tarim Basin in the 6th cAC (Turkish – in about 842AC). Centuries before that, “Indo-Europeans” lived there (“Tarim mummies”).

  3. Milan Todorovic

    “Their ancestors including other “Indo-European” tribes originated in Europe and moved east over the entire Russia up to China and Japan. You are also forgetting that Germans are not indigenous European people, they were the last tribe to leave Asia before Huns came to Europe.”

    Arguments/theories put forth without any evidence can be dismissed without any evidence.

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