130 thoughts on “Open Thread – 2/20/2021 – Brown Pundits”

    1. B-grade sci-fi author getting his moment in the limelight.

      I am part of some science fiction WhatsApp groups and might be indirectly connected to this fella. These people are nauseatingly woke. Kind of ironic since you’d expect nerds to have all kinds of contrarian views.

      Have had people point out ‘problematic’ stuff in some non-political art I posted there.

      I used to be adversarial earlier. Now I just keep quiet and enjoy the show plus ask for reading recommendations. Good anthropological insight into this class of people.

    2. In terms of self hate where does the Hindu woke lie. Just behind White woke, or we already there ? Why are some ‘Hindu’ ethnicities more woke than others

      In terms of self-hatred, white libtards are still far and away #1 and will remain so. But woke Hindus are catching up fast, and fighting hard for an “honorable” finish.

      I think this is worse in the diaspora, for two reasons. First, the vast majority of Indians in the West are voting left-liberal and consume media from that ecosystem. This is turbocharged for the 2nd gen migrants.

      Second, this media ecosystem has really ramped up the hatred. The neoliberal Deep State fears a strong and united India. It prefers a weak and divided India, preferably run by a dilettante like pappu who seems to love going to vacations in Western countries. That which it cannot control, it fears.

      Of course, Cuckrenda is a cringe bootlocker, but it’s more about his base than the person.

      1. Principia@
        I agree with your analysis except the last part. While Modi has won convincing re-election , he is facing tremendous international headwinds. Sometimes you have to be strategic in picking battles. For all his Bluster, see what happened to trump.
        On a meta level, right wing is conceptually unable to coordinate across borders and cultures. Whereas the left coordinates globally. For e.g. when Modi is targeted, other right wing leaders will be neutral at best or may join in at worst.

        1. I don’t blame Indian RWers for not co-ordinating across borders. Most white nationalists are outright bigots and racists who I feel zero kinship with. But I think right-wingers are just wired to be inward-looking and distrustful of outsiders. This gives libtards a natural advantage across all cultures in helping each other.

          As for your apologia of Cuckrenda, sorry, after the endless stalling of UCC and non-implementation of CAA, I am done making excuses for him. India should not be at the mercy of foreign pressure and I resent arguments that basically present matters as if India should be someone else’s bitch and ask for permission. It shouldn’t and it need not. Modi should not be excused for his hesitation and inaction.

  1. Looks like beginning of Second Wave in Maharashtra.
    8 straight days with increase in active cases

  2. I have been following #TexasFreeze over this week, and it is astonishing what happened. I have lived through several power cuts in India and a couple of them in North America too. It is very clear that power cuts in NA are more dangerous than Indian ones.

    Perhaps now, it might be worthwhile to consider “inverters” ,which are very popular in India, for NA homes too.

    1. Well, inverters may not solve the problem. All the ones I’ve seen used in India (including the house I grew up in) were limited in scope: the wattage tends to be quite low, permitting the use of bulbs and fans and TVs but not appliances that heat or cool (fridges, geysers, microwaves even). I imagine the cost for a per-home inverter that handles all the load of that home will be quite high.

      In Texas, from what I’ve been following, it’s not just that people have lost electricity. It’s that they can’t heat up their homes in the freezing cold. I imagine most will be OK without light bulbs (alternatives exist) or TVs for a while.

      Remember, people lived fine in NA, in places much colder than Texas, before the advent of electricity. Also, a big problem they are facing, it seems, is that water pipes are bursting because of the water inside freezing. Now, this is a problem that does not occur in much of the US because they anticipate it and guard against it. Texas doesn’t need to think innovatively here, it just needs to copy whatever, say, Iowa does.

      It’s definitely true though that in India, we are better prepared for black swan adversity than Americans are.

      1. I lived through -35/40c while Texas was at 1c and we had power cut for 2-3 hours. The issue with electricity is it is needed to run the central heating (which actually uses gas to create heat). So, not a whole lot of power needed other than to run thermostat on the gas furnace (not like geysers or radiators which actually use electricity to generate heat). Gas fireplaces overcome this using 4 pack AA batteries. (we have them to keep warm through power cut).

        I also lived through flooded home in mid-winter couple of years ago. The issue again is with turning off water supply and draining pipes before leaving home in case heat is being turned down.

        It is way too expensive to insulate pipes and walls in already built homes. Canada has a whole “cold climate building systems” research (I mean we just had 3 weeks of below -30c haha). But they are expensive and burdensome to adopt wholesale in Texas for 1 in 100 year event.

        To this day, Canadian and Scandinavian wilderness cabins have no electricity (ventilated wood stoves keep a large space surprising warm), and people go 2-3 weeks skiing and camping in back country (often hiking to pristine mountains to ski down in fresh powder). So, cold itself is not the problem but the know-how, appropriate gear, and temporary back-up appliances to tide over a few days would help.

  3. India’s “Mr Infrastructure” Sreedharan getting ‘cancelled’ since he joined the Nazis


    “The truth about Delhi Metro is that the credit should rightfully go to the Japanese. The entire design and plans are basically identical to Tokyo metro, the technology is Japanese, and the bulk of funding is Japanese.”


    “Dr. E Sreedharan. Those who benefitted most from a liberal democracy have turned against it. Inexplicable.”

  4. https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/the-farmers-protest-is-a-political-opportunity-for-the-opposition/cid/1807229

    “When P. Chidambaram, a member of the liberal camp in Congress, tells Parliament that the government only works for the top 1 per cent — ‘parijeevi’ (parasites) — who control 73 per cent of the country’s wealth, the party’s lurch further left is highlighted unmistakably.”

    India’s ex Finance minister AKA libertarian favorite reformist FM. ☝️

    1. P.Chidambaram pointing fingers at parasitical 1% ???? what a joke. He belongs to that 1% or even 0.1% . he belongs to a very rich chettiar family who have been top crust for generations and he was educated at harvard.

      This bogus and hypocritical leftism and SJW is a curse of India

      If at all Chidambaram has a skin in the game, it is to make himself and his family even richer – all his talk is hotair and hogwash

      1. Couldn’t agree more on congress hypocrisy about crony capitalism. Remember radia tapes!. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. A lot of people are uneasy with oligarchs. They should not be lumped with socialists. Also remember post independence the Bombay club enthusiastically supported the license permit Raj on the economic side while funding left/Marxism on the social side. Even in US all the wokeism is funded by billionaires. It is hilarious that there is still significant section of Right in US who espouse laissez faire economic policy which helps these billionaires.
        Free market will gain widespread support only if it is seen to be fair and bring about widespread prosperity. We should want a situation where every state/region has at least a couple of company HQs.

    2. libertarian favorite reformist FM.

      Don’t know which libertarian you’ve been talking to, but that’s certainly not my opinion.

      Looks like you are stereotyping “libertarian” (an insignificant bunch in India) as “hypocritical opponents of the Modi government” just like you stereotype South Indians are “not very Hindu lefties”. 🙂

        1. Still don’t get the connection to libertarianism. Are you implying that the editorial boards of the Hindustan Times or the Economic Times are libertarian?

          Personally, I have no clue, so I can’t dispute you, but count me skeptical. I still think you are using “libertarian” as a cuss word, or synonym for “hypocritical opponents of the Modi govt”.

  5. Another Aryans singles final at Australian open, I2 vs R1a. Congratulations to Rajeev Ram for winning mixed finals with Krejcikova.

  6. Part 1

    A sheet anchor for the Indian bronze age

    Giacomo Benedetti, the Italian Indologist published a paper with a singular focus to resolve the synchronicity between the Puranic king lists and the archaeological phases of the Indus Valley civilization. His paper has received traction within the OIT world. Many commentators have praised it generously for its elegant attempt to resolve the intractable problem of a sheet anchor for the Indian Bronze Age.


    I have read it much more than a couple of times and every time I go back to it, I am rewarded with newer layers of significance. He has stitched together sources and material from a dozen disparate stalwarts – Possehl, Pargiter, Kenoyer, Talageri, Rao, Parpola, Keith and MacDonnell, BB Lal, Ghosh, Ratnagar, Pusalker – to name but a few. Every one of those researchers were leading luminaries in their own fields – but Benedetti stitches them together into a weave that is clearly more than the sum of their individual threads.

  7. Part 2

    A sheet anchor for the Indian bronze age

    My own lines of thinking have been quite clear and have been very specifically concentrated on the Indra-Vishnu conundrum for quite some time. Indra is clearly the rockstar in the Vedas and Vishnu is a minor appendage. But by the time of the Puranas and the Mahabharata, it is clearly Vishnu who has become the prime godhead. Indra has become a purveyor of wine and women with an erratic lordship over his own kingdom. The fall is quite steep! And the mechanics of this fall remain unexplained if one were to persist with the AIT/AMT timeline of Rgveda in 1500 BCE and Mahabharata in 900 BCE. What happened in these 600 years? Well, nothing happened. This is the curious incident of the god in the night-time!!

    We now know that an aridification event happened 4200 years ago (2200 BCE) which wiped out BA civilizations in Egypt, Mesopotamia, China and India. The length of this event is still a subject of debate – some say it lasted several decades and a few hold that it might have been only a decade long phenomenon. But this event is now the basis for the last Age in the Holocene – called the Meghalayan Age based on a stalagmite found in Northeast India. So the Holocene now has three ages – Greenlandian, Northgrippian and Meghalayan.

    1. Weren’t both the Puranas and the Mahabharata composed well after (centuries after) the events they talk about? Possibly anachronistic things got added to the narratives in hindsight? Does the analysis take this into account or does it take the Puranas and the canonical version of the Mahabharata as historical fact?

      (Just inquiring, not challenging)

  8. Part 3

    A sheet anchor for the Indian bronze age

    Indra is the principal deity of the heavens, thunder, lightning, rain, rivers and storms. Now if a century long drought were to devastate the world of the Harappans, it would follow naturally that Indra should also lose his position in the pantheon to a better divinity who might preserve the system and re-establish order in the midst of chaos. Enter Vishnu,the Preserver!

    Mahabharata records that the Saraswati is still flowing in small streams till the Vinasana point. This in itself a powerful terminus ante quem. Hydromorphological papers (KS Valdiya) estimate that the Saraswati might have been an active river channel till 1500 BCE. Therefore we are talking about a period between the Mature Harappan and the OCP which serves as the basis for locating the Rgveda and the Mahabharata.

    Benedetti takes this topic into depth in a very mature manner to locate the archaeological strata within the historical and textual frame. He uses the king list chronology of Pargiter as a starting point. It is quite interesting for Benedetti seeks to fit the compartments of the Treta and Dvapara Yugas onto the Mature and Late Harappan strata. There are a lot of details and speculations – many of which might not be open to falsification. But his attempt is genuine and makes for fascinating reading.

  9. I don’t know what is the etymology of the word ‘Vishnu’ in local subcontinental languages and if there is a modern meaning. In Serbian, it means ‘the highest’ – from ‘visok’ (high). The gradation is – ‘visok, vishi, najvishi’ (high, higher, the highest). ‘Vishnu’ (sometimes used as ‘svevishni’=the highest of all) actually means ‘higher than the highest’ and it is still used as a modern word for the God.

  10. Indian commentators:

    Looking for recommendations for Indian right (political, social, economic) organizations to support. Would prefer orgs led by reasonable, articulate people (think someone like Akshay Alladi or Harsh Gupta Madhusudan). Time to put money where the mouth is.

  11. Sunday morning humor…..we have Qamar Cheema, a Pakistani strat analyst giving his thoughts on the Quad. Sometimes I am rewarded for plodding through tons and tons of national security sources. This is one of those moments.


    TLDR – He wants Pakistan to be allowed into the Quad 🙂 He has figured out that India will be a long term beneficiary of the newly emerging security architecture. Therefore it is amply clear that Pakistan cannot be left out of such parties. We are knocking on the door. Guys, let us in. We promise to behave. We are absolutely reliable in the matter of China. We can show you some party tricks.

  12. Blacks are attacking east asian Americans. Democrats blame Trump and white supremacy. The American left is insane.

    Pelosi, lawmakers denounce violence against Asian Americans

    Hate incidents against Asian Americans have skyrocketed – more than 3,000 have been reported since the start of the coronavirus pandemic last year – and Democratic lawmakers and community activists say that rise is directly linked to former President Trump and other political leaders using anti-Asian rhetoric when discussing COVID-19.


    1. not too weird. the writer (naqwi) is simply asking to be allowed to eat his beef kababs in peace.

      1. Haleems and halwas need to be allowed to eat whatever. When you grow up jain, all animals are equally sacred 😉

  13. So a 84 year-old Indian man got killed by a ‘yoof’ in NYC. What does the woke Indian diaspora do? Do a march against “white nationalism”. But the assailant is no secret, he looks like this.

    I feel sorry for the grieving family but I have next to no sympathy for the organisers behind that march. Wokism has rotted their brains.

  14. Congratulations to Novak Djokovic on winning his the 18th Grand Slam in Melbourne and for the record length (310 weeks) on the first position of the ATP list. Also, another great success of Rajeev Ram, after the win in the mixed final, the silver in men’s doubles.

    1. Enjoyed the podcast. But I wish you had been on to debate AIT/OIT. I felt Dr. Elst may not have the full picture painted by the recent genetic discoveries, and you’d have been the best person to paint that picture.

      1. i DMed niraj rai and g. chaubey about having a discussion after i saw your comment. i think that’s the most productive line since our knowledge/skills overlap

  15. A good read by Manu Joseph (a libertarian/right winger with a sense of humor and writing skills – we need more of his type): “The young should quit activism and go make money”


    “India’s agricultural reform is a bold humanitarian effort but to Western social evangelism an agitating farmer on a tractor has to be the victim. In that way, once again, the global posh in the euphoria of do-gooding, are actually sabotaging India’s poor”

    The last line applies to many of India’s posh too including a few on this site.

  16. Finally the solution i have been asking for in the farm crisis.


    “A way out of this turmoil might lie in respecting India’s federalism more fully. The Centre should not pass farm laws that affect agriculture markets within states, but this should also mean no central government Minimum Support Price (MSP) and no central government procurement. The states say that agriculture is a state subject. It is. And they should have complete say in what subsidies they want to give their farmers, for which crop, and how. The states that strongly believe in MSP and procurement should have complete ownership of both.

    the Centre should buy, in the open market, the rice and wheat needed for the public distribution system after the kharif and rabi harvests and maintain buffer stocks for price stabilisation. If states think that the private sector will be exploitative, they can and should do their own procurement. It is only then that they will think hard about crops and costs.

    The farm laws are illustrative of an uncomfortable reality. There are many important issues that states are fully empowered to handle. But they don’t. Problems arise. Then there is a clamour that “the government” should do more. But, inevitably, that means the central government. Of course, the Centre loves this, because it then exercises more power. And that has slowly, but surely, tilted the already imbalanced Union-state relationship even more in favour of the former.

    The best bulwark against a hegemonic Centre is stronger federalism. But, for that to occur, states will have to up their game. “

    1. All of us know this is the right solution but a debt-laden Punjab is not going to take on even more burden on itself, even if the centre prepares an economic ‘package’ for it.

  17. One way for Dharmics to relcaim India is to reclaim old places of significance that were destroyed during Muslim rule. While those in Pakistan and Bangladesh are out of reach for now (may be Bangladesh not fully as it is still 9% Hindu) what prevents Hindus from reclaiming and rebuilding temples like the Martand temple in Kashmir?

    Jains are constantly rebuilding and rennovating (Jirnoddhar) temples across the country, and on top of building many new temples. “Hindus” can collectively raise tonnes of funds to rebuild these temples, and reviving worship in them (Make Martand temple the next Amarnath). Reclaim our spaces.

    In a different world, may be in 50 years we would also see the sun temple at Multan being rebuilt.

          1. Probably. I can see good arguments. I mean even Muslims, members of the most connected religion on the planet, or not so united about “Ummah” issues. I doubt dharmics are truly even a fraction as united. When was the last time Thai Buddhists commented on the plight of Pakistani Hindus? It just doesn’t happen. The Ummah at least has some unity about things like Israel but even that has recently started to break down.

          2. Ali, warlock:
            First of all, there is no Dharmic Ummah, so can’t expect a Thai Buddhist to feel for Pakistani Hindus. Heck, there isn’t even a Buddhist ummah. Ummah/global religious community is an Abrahamic thing built into their religions and perfected by Islam (but like Warlock said even there it is not foolproof).
            Having said that, there is a sort of Dharmic unity in India – shaped by their experiences with Muslims/Islams and accentuated by the difference with Abrahamics. So it is both innate and accentuated by the presence of the very different Abrahmic faiths and their history in India. We saw this as recently as during Partition when it comes to Hindus and Sikhs, see this all the time with Hindus and Jains, and also with Buddhists (although the Dalit angle there complicates things sometimes).
            Finally, it is a unity that needs to be forged – there is a sort of proof in how certain enemies of India are always trying to create a rift between the Hindus and Sikhs.

          3. BTW, the Dharmic thing is a bit of a distractor from the main thrust of my comment. Ignore if you don’t agree with it.
            I would rephrase to say that *Hindus* need to aggressively reclaim space in Kashmir, Punjab (yes build some majestic temples on ancient holy sites – invent some if none exist; don’t cede Punjab to the 25% Jatt Sikhs), the Northeast, Bangladesh (at some point).
            Amarnath went from a regional tirth to a nationally popular one in a few decades. That’s the template to follow for the Martand temple and others such sites in all corners. Reclaim the spaces 🙂

          4. Poor relations with Sikhs are the centre’s own doing. No foreign power ordered Operation Blue Star. It’s popular, convenient and false in both Pakistan and India to blame ethnic unrest be it Pakhtun, Baloch, Sindhi, Muhajir, Kashmiri, Sikh on foreigners.

  18. Himalayan Diffidence

    New Delhi’s desperation has led to a peace process of impermanent but linked de-escalations

    At heart, the problem is the Indian government’s terminal diffidence. It has foresworn the option of discomfiting Beijing by strategic missile-arming states on China’s borders as belated payback for its equipping Pakistan with nuclear missiles, and shies away from using its leverages (Taiwan, Tibet, trade, Uighurs). This attitude infects the Indian military as well. In an alternative universe, army special forces would long ago have cleared the Y-Junction and counter-blockaded PLA on the Depsang. While there’s talk by military brass about reorienting Indian forces China-wards, there’s little initiative on display. The Indian response in Galwan Valley, it may be recalled, was reactive and the SFF is run by the external intelligence agency, RAW (Research & Analysis Wing). Accustomed to supinity, the Indian government nevertheless believes it will not lose out to Beijing. How is anybody’s guess!


  19. “Jat Farmer Anger Could In Fact Help Modi, Not Hurt Him

    Punjab was never a crucial state for the Modi BJP. In both 2014 and 2019, the party won just 2 seats. Haryana is different. The BJP won all 10 seats here in the 2019 Lok Sabha polls, but barely managed to hold on to the state in the subsequent assembly elections. Manohar Lal Khattar’s return made him Haryana’s longest serving non-Jat Chief Minister since Bhajan Lal.

    In fact, the BJP is largely seen as a non-Jat party in the state, and much of its political rhetoric has been centred around ending Jat dominance in government jobs. The violent Jat agitation of 2016 helped the BJP consolidate the non-Jat votes, while Jats moved further away from the party. This resulted in big losses for the party in the Jat belts in the assembly elections of 2019. Analysis by Radhika Kumar shows that the BJP got just 8 of 29 seats in Jat-dominated Central Haryana, and just 17 of 38 seats in the GT Road belt, which was the worst affected by the 2016 Jat agitation. Equally significant is that the BJP lost badly in the rural belt, while it gained in urban centres like Faridabad.

    So the BJP has little left to lose amongst farming communities in Punjab and Haryana. On the contrary, the Jat-led farmers agitation in Haryana could help the party make deeper inroads into the 20 percent Dalit vote in the state, many of whom are likely to be agricultural labourers who are on the receiving end of rural power relations. At best, it could cost the BJP five seats in Haryana and the two it has in Punjab.

    Much bigger political gains are to be made in the rest of India, if PM Modi can present the farmers’ agitation as essentially one of rich landowners who exploit the poor in rural India.

    By presenting the farm laws as reforms aimed at ending the dominance of rich farmers, the BJP can hope to rally together the remaining 70 percent of rural voters. The Modi Government’s policies of providing subsistence-level income and services to the poorest of the poor also provides an economic base for it to claim that it is pro-poor.

    At the same time, opening up agriculture to big corporates, the mega-privatisation plan announced in Budget 2021, PM Modi’s public stand in favour of the private sector, will ensure that the BJP continues to be the most-trusted party for India Inc. This will ensure that a significant section of mainstream media stays on the government’s side, and helps push the government’s version of the farm laws across India. It will also ensure that the BJP continues to be the biggest beneficiary of corporate money, without which no party can hope to fund the massive electoral machinery required to win polls in India.



    1. This is the Hindus + Jatt dominated/oppressed Sikhs (Dalits, lower caste Sikhs) consolidation in Punjab that I was talking about. BJP didn’t have much time this time around for the local body elections and given the ongoing protests the other side was energized. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next 2-3 years.

      1. “This is the Hindus + Jatt dominated/oppressed Sikhs (Dalits, lower caste Sikhs) consolidation in Punjab that I was talking about.”

        IMO, BJP will never be strong in Punjab in the foreseeable future.

        1) Upper caste Hindus in Punjab are either too cowed down by Sikhism (most Punjabi Brahmins or Banias) or too much influenced by it (most Punjabi Khatris) to assert themselves by voting for the BJP. Anyways their numbers are too small and scattered.

        2) Dalit Hindus/Sikhs in Punjab mostly dislike upper caste Hindus. They have been converting to Christianity for generations or follow Ramdasia sect, different Deras etc. They will keep voting for the Congress.

        3) Jatt Sikhs ofcourse mostly (strongly) hate the BJP for its strident Hindu assertion and would divide their vote between Akali Dal, AAP and Congress.

        Where are the BJP voters? Theoretically you could get 1) to vote enmasse for the BJP but their numbers are too small for BJP to win power. Making 2) vote for BJP is extremely difficult. Most BJP leaders in the state are from 1). There are none currently from 2). It would take years of wooing for BJP leaders from 2) to come up. I don’t think the software of Hindutva currently has that capability.

        The bridges to 3) have long been broken.

        1. “too much influenced by it (most Punjabi Khatris)”

          What do you mean “too much influenced” by Sikhism ?

          Punjabi Khatris (presume you are talking about Hindus) have provided the BJP with most of their leaders from Punjab, Arun Jaitley, Vinod Khanna, Madan Lal Khurana come to mind immediately.

  20. https://www.chemengonline.com/inox-air-products-to-build-eight-new-asus-in-india/


    INOX Air Products (INOXAP), Air Products’ India joint venture company, has laid out massive expansion plans of INR 2000 Crores to build eight new Air Separation Units (ASUs) across the country. This will be India’s largest Greenfield investment plan ever witnessed in the Industrial Gases sector

    INOXAP’s new plants will be strategically located in proximity of high demand growth areas in the states of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh and West Bengal. The plants will produce liquid oxygen, liquid nitrogen and liquid argon and will be commissioned during the course of FY22 to FY24. The bulk availability of industrial and medical gases will ensure constant supplies for electronic manufacturing, pharmaceutical sector, besides helping iron, steel and automobile industries to ramp up their production capacities. The projects will generate more than 1000 direct and indirect employment opportunities in their respective regions.

  21. “Poor relations with Sikhs are the centre’s own doing.”

    Hardline Sikhs are in a religious frenzy and among other things want to go full medieval on deviant sects like Nirankaris. The liberal Indian state does not want to let them do so. Hardline Sikh leaders raise the stake by garrisoning their main temple and commanding death squads, holding kangaroo courts, collecting ransom from businesses, flouting the state’s writ etc from there. All attempts at resolving the conflict through peaceful means are spurned.

    What could the Indian state have done? Please do not project Pakistan’s actions upon India. There was little India did to Sikhs which could be faulted.

    Sikh alienation from the Indian state is their own doing, a racial-superiority mindset which translates into disasters.

      1. Jatt Supremacism has led to the deaths of egalitarian minded men such as these in Punjab. At the same time, most Jatts are not like these extremists. Many have fought for the Indian flag. But the extremists must be confronted, many of whom are members of the Khalistan movement.

  22. After 4000 years ‘Triumph’ is coming back to India…

    The first group of 100 Indian military experts and soldiers will arrive in Russia at the end of January for training in handling S-400 “Triumph” anti-aircraft missile systems, writes Sputnik.

    “Ahead of the delivery of the S-400, which will begin in September-October, a large group of representatives of the Indian Armed Forces will leave for Russia in the last week of January for training to work on the S-400 complex. A few months later, another group of soldiers will go to Russia with the same goal. As planned, the first S-400 complex will be delivered to the Indian army at the end of 2021 or the beginning of 2022. The agreement with Russia on the deliveries of these air defense systems will be realized by 2025 “, reports the” Times of India “, referring to the sources in the Indian army.

    According to the paper, Russian “Triumph” missiles will revolutionize India’s air defense system. “They will be deployed in the western, northern and eastern regions of India, taking into account the threats coming from China and Pakistan,” Sputnik reports.

    Btw, ‘triumph’ is originally a Serbian word. The first triumph in human history was conducted by the first Aryan leader after his return from India. Elephants were used in this ‘triumph’ which was conducted every third year after that. Alexander Karanovic the Great repeated the triumph celebration copying his much earlier predecessor. Triumphs were very popular and regularly performed during the Roman Empire and the practice continued until today.

    1. Very well, after reading the above title pundits noticed the mistake Russians made in naming their weapon for India. They lost one zero and the correct name should be: S-4000 ‘triumph’.

      So, can we milk more from the above story?

      The Roman Republic fought Serbian (Illyrian) tribes for hundreds of years and when they settled those conflicts they became an Empire. The official history mentions the Roman-Illyrian war 6-9 AC (it actually lasted for 15 years) against tribes in today’s Dalmatia on the Adriatic coast. The war finished as win-win. Serbs got Roman citizenship (first such case outside of the city of Rome) but also obligation to send conscripts to the Roman army. Historian Pliny listed the names of tribes (today’s Serbian surnames) with numbers of conscripts obliged to send (for those who still thinks that so-called ‘Slavs’ came to Balkan in the 7th c.AC). Illyrian legions became iron feast of Roman Empire. Romans organised a TRIUMPH in Rome where in the same chariots were Emperor Tiberius (a nephew of Augustus) and Serbian Illyrian warrior leader – Bato. There is even a Wiki entry with the description of the war and Bato’s picture:


      There were few other Serbian leaders with the same name – Bato, e.g. Bato – Dardanian chieftain:


      Where is the catch?

      The name ‘Bato’ meant and still means – (little) brother. It is still used as a personal name and nickname for brother, e.g. when asking young girl – where is your bato (i.e. little brother)?

      ‘Bato’ is the name which was lost in Greek translation. They translated this as a ‘father’ which was accepted in other languages (pater, padre, etc). So, we have the name for ‘father’ in various languages which the actual meaning is – the ‘brother’.

      Ho-ho-ho-hoppy Easter, batos punditos (i.e. pundit brothers)!

  23. Does anyone have information about the kind of salaries the IT/technology sector in China offers ?

    The data here seems to indicate that tech companies (startups and American branches) in India offers salaries comparable or even slightly higher than Chinese ones (in USD) ?

    It also seems that salaries at Indian IT services companies (Infosys, TCS, Wipro) are quite low.

    1. Are salaries in China determined by capitalist demand and supply OR they have some other ceiling, minimum, etc like good socilaists.
      Given that China has the large number of billlionaires in Asia, I gues they are capitalist in recruitment

      1. Given the near daily protestations about ‘996’ on Chinese reddit and other fora, I think the capitalists have the complete upper hand.

  24. Why I Am Not Losing Hope In India

    Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/opinion/why-i-am-not-losing-hope-in-india

    “Growing up in Kashmir, I often heard the wonderful distinction between Sabr (the patience rooted in the strategy used to create strength) and Tahammul (the patience rooted in the fortitude used to handle adversity). The impact lag of recent reforms represents Sabr, not Tahammul; India’s people are exhausted of fortitude, eager to try new things that break with the past, and understand short-term pain for long-term gain. My request to India’s diaspora is to give us a few more years. Even better, give us help by moving back.”

    1. Articles like these (and the earlier contrarian one by Andy Mukherjee) fail to account for the fact that most Indians seem to be quite content with their lives (as per CSDS surveys at least).

      It is surprising how unhappy India’s Anglo classes feel despite having good lives materially. Not to mention all the available services. I think there is a fundamental schism Western/Convent based education causes which makes it impossible for this class to be happy in India.

      1. Could you point me to this study?
        Would be interesting to look at exact questions asked.

        I agree with you that a majority of Indians lack ambition. The ultimate aspiration of many in North India is to lead a life of feudal leisure (be a ‘laath sahab’). Women also seem to leave the work force at higher rates as we move up the socio-economic ladder.

        One would expect some sort of Tocqueville Effect to take hold as more people become slightly better off than before but that new found energy is usually just lost in political activism and not in increasing production.

        Not sure if this culture can or will change. It does make things very frustrating for those of us who do want to something here.

        1. Prats, see the entries regarding financial condition, economic condition and perceived class status in the post poll surveys here: https://www.lokniti.org/national-election-studies

          Consistently, about 2/3rds of the population say they are satisfied with their financial and economic conditions, and identify as members of upper and middle classes.

          There seems to be no evidence of a Tocqueville effect, the economy has grown significantly over the period of these surveys, and many people have become much richer.

  25. “The brahmin cabal that has taken control of India – with Modi as its figurehead- is pulling out all the stops to let loose a reign of terror upon the populace.

    Its ultimate aim is to establish a Hindu Rashtra (Hindu Nation) where brahmins will reign supreme, and the caste system is rigidly enforced again, and non-brahmins are relegated to lowly, menial professions. Brahmins will get 100% quota on white collar jobs and dalits wil be forced to perform the most disgusting jobs imaginable. Muslims will be interned in concentration camps ( like what the Chinese are doing to Uighur Muslims). This is the future of India if the brahmin cabal continues to rule unchallenged.”


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    1. Couldn’t read the article since it’s paywalled. From the headline it seems like a bunch of bromide by folks who have no clue about India.

    1. The Chinese are dumb, they started to genocide Muslim’s only after America turned against her and started Cold War II. During the US/West’s decade long War On Terror/Islam, there was not even a hint of Muslim Genocide in China. Back then the Media coverage was all about the Genocide of Tibetans, which we don’t hear about anymore. Perhaps the Chinese have done to them what they did to the Dzungars and no one noticed all the missing Tibetans in Lhasa.

      If the Chinese had even an ounce of intellect they would have suppressed militant Islam in China before America turned rabidly Sinophobic and not after the the Trump administration came to power. Hindsight is 20/20. Lol

    2. Still haven’t subscribed so there is my comment…

      It is an excellent overview of the fairly recent Chinese past. There are few questions/observations to complement this text when author decides to go further in the past. It is well known when Uyghurs came to Tarim Basin and Xinjiang, 840 AC. Chinese came a bit earlier. Who lived there for more than 2500 years before them? Who were ‘Indo-Europeans’ (for new-born this is a meaningless term without substance) who lived together with Chinese? What we know about almost 1500 years of their on/off coexistence and wars. What we know about their wars against Mongols, about ‘Indo-Europeans’ protecting Chinese from Mongols and getting paid for this? Were these ‘Indo-Europeans’ a Chinese variant of Aryans? How many ‘Indo-Europeans’ were assimilated so we can see numerous Youtube clips with blue eyed, squint, blonde Chinese? What say thousands of ‘Indo-European’ toponyms in China, Tibet, Central Asia, Tarim Basin? They are still a taboo topic because their translation will lead to their language and origins, the origin of Aryans. But, it seems that the world is still not ready because it would be needed to write new world history, not only ancient than recent history, too. The history of Europe, for example.

      1. Manufacturing jobs are manufacturing jobs. Indian companies are benefiting from govts pli scheme though so there is hope that at least one of them would be able to establish itself as a brand (they had been successful before chinese companies introduced low cost smartphones in the market)

      2. Indian smartphone companies like Spice, Micromax, Karbonn etc were doing decently well in early 2010s. All of these companies, however, used to source their components from China.

        Eventually the Chinese brands gutted the market with cheaper handsets and most of the Indian companies lost out.

        This time round, the hope is that a manufacturing eco-system will develop locally and the supply chain thus created will feed other industries as well.

        China itself started off manufacturing Apple and Samsung phones before local brands leveraged the know-how to take over the world.

  26. if a test match ends in 3 days, i feel, the teams should play an one dayer after a day’s rest. one the other hand if the match ends in 2 days, well…???

  27. F-35 FAILED PROJECT: Aviation Commander ordered study of new fighter! The Pentagon was overwhelmed by the flaws of the 5th generation hunter

    The American public was amazed when the news emerged, published by the American media, that the pride of the American F-35 aviation was a complete failure, because a lot of money was invested in it, and no results, and that the money could be used for other things.

    The frustration with this plane continues, because a lot of money has been invested in it, and the US Air Force is ordering a new study that they need a cheaper and lighter fighter, which, according to the media, the military authorities say is the program of this 5th generation stealth fighter actually failed.

    The entire project cost U.S. taxpayers $ 1.7 trillion, a figure that was claimed to be enough to pay all U.S. students loans and school loans, or to get every homeless person in the U.S. a roof over their head, or to replace the entire U.S. plumbing infrastructure.

  28. Got into a weird debate about cannibalism on Reddit because someone posted a picture of a raven eating chicken nuggets. Someone asked if that’s cannibalism. Then someone else responded that it’s more like a human eating a cow. I replied to that by saying it’s more like a human eating another ape species. A person disagreed with me and said the human eating a cow analogy is more correct using taxonomic reasoning. I asked wouldn’t it be better to decide based on genetic relatedness but most people agreed with the taxonomic reasoning. Just curious what a geneticist would say.

  29. NYTimes has a very dedicated reader base. This reader base also tends to dominate American big business, media, and Democratic Party. Their revenue only keeps growing. While it has lost all credibility among American right, it doesnt care given how much influence it has on moderate and left wing Americans.

    1. I agree that they have a dedicated left-liberal base that also dominates media and big business. However, they have lost the right, and to a large extent even moderate republicans, and I suspect if/when the culture wars subside a bit (or the left gets a little less energized – likely given they have their man in the White House), they will start to lose some of the moderate democrats as well. I find the WSJ to be much more balanced and objective than the Times.

      When it came to India it was clear that they were writing to a narrative, and now we have proof from insiders about the same (not specifically about India related topics however).

      Another thing that is immediately clear to anybody informed about India is that the Times’ reporting is very shallow, templatey and not very insightful, if not outright biased. This is in line with the maxim -“journalists come across as very knolwedgeable until they write about something you really know about”

      1. The NYT has the money to hire the best journalists around. Leaving aside issues with a political bent, their coverage of science, entertainment, business, culture and other apolitical stories is top tier.

        1. All of those things are political these days. Or at least news media tends to inject politics into those areas. NYT has the money to hire the best (left wing) journalists and it shows in their coverage.

  30. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/india-pakistan-ceasefire-kashmir/2021/02/25/02335b38-773c-11eb-9489-8f7dacd51e75_story.html

    “Pakistani women married to former Kashmiri militants hold placards with their children during a protest in Srinagar on Feb. 23, 2021, urging the Indian and Pakistani prime ministers to facilitate their return to Pakistan. (Tauseef Mustafa/AFP/Getty Images)”

    I feel for the children of terrorists. Hopefully, they also do not become terrorists. Sadly, some will be similarly indoctrinated.

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