Pogrom in Kabul

Islamic State Attacks Sikh Temple in Kabul, Killing 25:

An Islamic State militant stormed a Sikh temple in the heart of Kabul, killing 25 worshipers and taking dozens of people hostage in a prolonged siege that once again exposed the ability of insurgents to carry out attacks in the Afghan capital.

Dozens of Sikh worshipers were gathering for morning prayers on Wednesday when a gunman stormed the temple, according to the Interior Ministry. Men, women and children scrambled out of the compound as the attacker moved through the temple. An Afghan security official initially said there were two gunmen, but the investigation later concluded there was only one.

Even in the time of pandemic they still stick to their old script…

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70 Replies to “Pogrom in Kabul”

  1. Razib do you know what a pogrom is? Its an organized massacre, typically perpetrated by the government and/or local community against a certain ethnic group (see India’s actions against Sikhs and Muslims). This event in Afghanistan was a terror attack by an ISIS lunatic, a group hated by pretty much everyone in the country and responsible for numerous attacks against Afghans.

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    1. the ummah is one
      Halal, haleem, owaisi
      May momo the pedo not penetrate you

      IndThings likes to hide behind “technicalities” to remove blame from the obvious

      SAD….

      Definition of pogrom (Entry 1 of 2)
      : an organized massacre of helpless people
      specifically : such a massacre of Jews

      Webster. Granted Koran may define this as holy struggle aka Jihad

      Oh as just for shits and giggles. Once again, Bengal 1971 was genocide. And Pak pedo gangs of the UK are a disgrace.

      Thank you come again

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  2. https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/the-last-2-sikhs-in-the-talibans-heartland/
    Let’s use even a definition that favors INDthings from Encyclopedia Britannica
    “Pogrom, (Russian: “devastation,” or “riot”), a mob attack, either approved or condoned by authorities, against the persons and property of a religious, racial, or national minority. The term is usually applied to attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.”
    Taliban treats Sikhs like Jews in holocaust with Jewish star. ISIL did this but Taliban I am sure is a fan. Anything to disrupt and delegitimize the new government.
    “Until a few years ago, there was also still a tiny community of Sikhs in Lashkar Gah. During the Taliban regime in the 1990s, about 60 Sikh families were living in Lashkar Gah, Satnam remembers. They held out there despite the extremist Islamist rule of the Taliban, who forced non-Muslim Sikhs to identify themselves by wearing yellow patches. Satnam asserts though that, while the time under the Taliban was tough for Sikhs, things were worse in the preceding civil war – and the situation is also worse now. This was corroborated by other reports citing Afghan Sikhs.”
    Taliban are an authority in Afghanistan for sure. I am sure they approved.

    On ISIS support in Afghanistan to once again refute IndThings

    “Around September 2014, ISIL sent representatives to Pakistan to meet with local militants, including some Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) factions, following several months of discussions.[29] At the same time, leaflets, flags and propaganda materials in support of ISIL began being distributed in parts of Pakistan, including a pamphlet written in Pashto and Dari that called on all Muslims to swear allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The leaflets were believed to have been produced and distributed from across the border in Afghanistan.[30] In October 2014, former Taliban commander Abdul Rauf Khadim visited Iraq. Later on he returned to Afghanistan where he recruited followers in Helmand and Farah provinces.[31] In the same month, 6 TTP commanders in Pakistan; Hafiz Khan Saeed, official spokesman Shahidullah Shahid, and the TTP commanders of Kurram and Khyber tribal regions and Peshawar and Hangu Districts, publicly defected from the TTP and pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.[32][33]

    On 10 January 2015, these six individuals appeared in a video where they again pledged allegiance to al-Baghdadi and nominated Hafiz Saeed Khan as the leader of their group. They were joined by other mid-level militant commanders, including representatives from Afghanistan’s Logar and Kunar Province and Pakistan’s Lakki Marwat. Shahidullah Shahid claimed that other Jihadists from both countries supported the pledge of allegiance but had been unable to attend the meeting in person.[33][34]

    Support basis
    In Afghanistan the Islamic State has not only been recruiting from the villages but also the urban middle class and specifically targeting the universities, as there have been numerous cases of lecturers in Islamic law as well students at the country’s largest university, Kabul University, pledging allegiance to the group.[35]

    As for Pakistan, scholar Antonio Giustozzi, one of the foremost specialists of terrorism and insurgency in the region, says that “IS-K might have been more successful in Pakistan”, and “most recruitment was indeed reported to be taking place in madrasas; the second most important types of recruits were villagers and students” and noting, based on the findings of an NGO which works “extensively with madrasas and mosques”, that “nine major madrasas had links to IS-K, as well as another 100 or so small madrasas networked with these nine. The source also estimated that of the mosques the NGO supported, about 150 in Pakistan were connected to IS-K.”[36]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant_%E2%80%93_Khorasan_Province

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  3. On ISIS support in Afghanistan to once again refute IndThings. This is some grassroots level stuff. Nice three way about to happen.
    “Around September 2014, ISIL sent representatives to Pakistan to meet with local militants, including some Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) factions, following several months of discussions.[29] At the same time, leaflets, flags and propaganda materials in support of ISIL began being distributed in parts of Pakistan, including a pamphlet written in Pashto and Dari that called on all Muslims to swear allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The leaflets were believed to have been produced and distributed from across the border in Afghanistan.[30] In October 2014, former Taliban commander Abdul Rauf Khadim visited Iraq. Later on he returned to Afghanistan where he recruited followers in Helmand and Farah provinces.[31] In the same month, 6 TTP commanders in Pakistan; Hafiz Khan Saeed, official spokesman Shahidullah Shahid, and the TTP commanders of Kurram and Khyber tribal regions and Peshawar and Hangu Districts, publicly defected from the TTP and pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.[32][33]
    On 10 January 2015, these six individuals appeared in a video where they again pledged allegiance to al-Baghdadi and nominated Hafiz Saeed Khan as the leader of their group. They were joined by other mid-level militant commanders, including representatives from Afghanistan’s Logar and Kunar Province and Pakistan’s Lakki Marwat. Shahidullah Shahid claimed that other Jihadists from both countries supported the pledge of allegiance but had been unable to attend the meeting in person.[33][34]
    Support basis
    In Afghanistan the Islamic State has not only been recruiting from the villages but also the urban middle class and specifically targeting the universities, as there have been numerous cases of lecturers in Islamic law as well students at the country’s largest university, Kabul University, pledging allegiance to the group.[35]
    As for Pakistan, scholar Antonio Giustozzi, one of the foremost specialists of terrorism and insurgency in the region, says that “IS-K might have been more successful in Pakistan”, and “most recruitment was indeed reported to be taking place in madrasas; the second most important types of recruits were villagers and students” and noting, based on the findings of an NGO which works “extensively with madrasas and mosques”, that “nine major madrasas had links to IS-K, as well as another 100 or so small madrasas networked with these nine. The source also estimated that of the mosques the NGO supported, about 150 in Pakistan were connected to IS-K.”[36]”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant_%E2%80%93_Khorasan_Province

    https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/the-last-2-sikhs-in-the-talibans-heartland/
    Let’s use even a definition that favors INDthings from Encyclopedia Britannica
    “Pogrom, (Russian: “devastation,” or “riot”), a mob attack, either approved or condoned by authorities, against the persons and property of a religious, racial, or national minority. The term is usually applied to attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.”
    Taliban treats Sikhs like Jews in holocaust with Jewish star. ISIL did this but Taliban I am sure is a fan. Anything to disrupt and delegitimize the new government.
    “Until a few years ago, there was also still a tiny community of Sikhs in Lashkar Gah. During the Taliban regime in the 1990s, about 60 Sikh families were living in Lashkar Gah, Satnam remembers. They held out there despite the extremist Islamist rule of the Taliban, who forced non-Muslim Sikhs to identify themselves by wearing yellow patches. Satnam asserts though that, while the time under the Taliban was tough for Sikhs, things were worse in the preceding civil war – and the situation is also worse now. This was corroborated by other reports citing Afghan Sikhs.”
    Taliban are an authority in Afghanistan for sure. I am sure they approved.

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  4. Wondering who gets more entertainment:

    Warlock writing these long comments, or me not reading a single one of them.

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    1. I generally neither read yours nor bother to engage. But this time, since you are so full of “wonder”, most entertainment from warlock’s comments is mine.

      Since all of these boards are status games, if you must know, Warlock has established himself to be a provider of reliable information with thoughtfulness towards questioner’s background.

      Razib kind of decimated all lawyerly arguments (his definition) from his comment boards. Perhaps he too misses that entertainment sometimes…

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    1. got email, I’m fine (so far so good, knock x 3), txs. Btw, pogrom is a Serbian word (grom=thunder, lightning), pogrom=(literally something as) ‘struck by lightning’, good health to all pundits! Ch

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  5. “Even in the time of pandemic they still stick to their old script”
    This type of violence is a different sort of pandemic.
    One for which I don’t see a cure in sight.
    Sometimes I think we should all just convert to Salafi verision of Islam. If it puts and end to all this violence.
    It’s not so bad, esp. as a straight guy. I don’t like drinking that much anyways. Prayer and charity are fine by me.
    But I don’t think the violence would end, it would simply mutate and find some minor nit-picky issues to kill people over (as we saw in Iraq).

    Perhaps the cure is a better education in the humanities.

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    1. “Sometimes I think we should all just convert to Salafi verision of Islam. If it puts and end to all this violence.”

      Sure, we can see how well this has worked in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Arabastan and various other lands of the faithful.

      You miss the point of all that furious piety. When all are pure and devout, the demands for purity and devotion simply move to another level.

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  6. This terrorist attack is devastating. Afghanistan seems to be getting into an increasingly bad situation.

    But I agree with INDTHINGS. This is not a pogrom. Pogrom implies state sponsorship and no one can argue that the Afghan State organized this.

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    1. Trump should not have pulled out. Do you China can stabilize them? Granted, that would mean genocide like what is going on with the Uighurs. It may happen though. A lot of mineral wealth and there and the new One Belt project does go through Afghanistan. Where one communist power failed, maybe another can succeed.

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      1. I wouldn’t put too much hopes on that. Right now the success of all the surrounding countries in Afghanistan was due to the security cover NATO-American forces were providing. Once thats gone, Taliban wouldn’t have reason to be dependent on other countries. Will any country put their money and military to back one side as US did. Very unlikely.

        The cost of “stabilizing” Afghanistan is too damn high.

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      2. @thewarlock I’ve already written about a great sloution for reducing terrorism in Indian subcontinent. My idea may seem ‘laughable’ at this moment but I think it would be effective.
        Just make the strategy to convert all of Indic people back to Indic religions. It’s a tedious task but it’s doable. Hinduism can provide much more satisfactory answers to people’s questions.✌

        But ‘Hinduism’ itself needs to reform, re-build it’s institutions and most importantly snatch it’s resources back from oppressive state.

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        1. What are you planning to do about all those people who don’t want to convert to “Indic” religions? Force them?

          Rather than sounding “laughable”,this idea sounds fascist.

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          1. @kabir
            Whenever I bring topic of ‘conversion’ in any thread you always assume it must be by ‘force’. Why?

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          2. I’m seriously asking what you plan to do with those people who don’t want to leave Islam or Christianity for “indic” religions. Do you have a plan for that?

            It’s none of my business if people voluntarily choose to leave the faith they were born in.

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          3. @kabir
            If you don’t care about religious affiliation of the people then why do you care too much about my proposed ‘methods’?

            I want people to unite not kill each-others.

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          4. You still haven’t answered the question: What do you plan to do about people who don’t want to convert to “indic” religions?

            I have no issues with people changing their faiths VOLUNTARILY. Forcing them or otherwise pressuring them to do so is unacceptable.

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          5. @Kabir
            Why should I reveal intricacies of my precious plan on a public platform?

            You are at it again. Why can’t you imagine anything beyond ‘forced conversions’ which is actually forte of Islam?

            Praise to lord of time Rudra!
            Praise to Godess of infinity Aditi!
            Triumph on king of self Indra!

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          6. If you’re not going to answer the question, there is no point in this discussion.

            Your knowledge of History is woefully inaccurate. There is no evidence that most of the people who converted to Islam in the subcontinent did so because of force. Many converted because of Sufi saints who told them that Islam offered a way out of the horrible Hindu caste system. Others converted for some administrative advantage or position.

            Hindu supremacists are just as tiresome as Islamic ones. You are entitled to think your religion is the greatest but your non-Hindu co-citizens have all the rights to not believe in it and prefer Islam (or Christianity as the case may be).

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          7. @kabir
            Most of Sufi saints were not ‘saints’ at all but disguised outposts of violent invaders. They have themselves boasted about their deeds in their writings so there is very little room for your fancies in this topic.
            Moreover the ‘conversion’ I’m talking about is nothing of sort you would be able to imagine with your present state of mind.

            But the ‘change’ is inevitable though I can’t predict which course it would take. Path has been decided I’m only waiting here for the ‘agent’.

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          8. @Kabir
            There is so much evidence of force being used to convert that I can bore you for days citing stuff. I have in multiple comments cited stuff about the truth of Sufi tolerance and syncretism. I am even willing to meet a criteria of corraboration/histrocity that you set beforehand if your belief are genuinely due to lack of evidence on the contrary. But no matter what I show/present, you have already made up your mind and it is all pointless so I will not be replying to you in the future at all. And I will add that I am truly disappointed. I didn’t come here for ego/dominance fights, have genuinely tried to educate myself but such strategic forgetfulness and opportunistic lying by people like you (even you?) will never let any serious reform/ introspection in Islam. I shame Hindus for casteism all the time and they have the truthfulness not to deny history but you will shamelessly keep lying as if it will hide the truth, no it won’t. What we see in the Middle East today is the fruit of this lying. I am done here with you, this has been such a waste of time.

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          9. Mobbywick and Bhimrao,

            You are entitled to subscribe to whatever narrative you want, including that of “forced conversion” and “1000 years of Occupation”. However, you must recognize that this is a NARRATIVE and not some objective “truth”.

            Here is renowned historian Richard Eaton on the issue of forced conversions to Islam:

            “In your paper, “Approaches to the Study of Conversion to Islam in India”, you say theories such as Islam being the “religion of the sword”, or it being a “religion of social liberation” can only explain partially why indigenous Indians embraced Islam. Nor do you think political patronage can explain Islam’s spread in India. On what basis do you describe these theories as inadequate explanations? Is it possible to roughly quantify the conversions secured through these three competing strategies of apostasy?
            The principle reason these theories are inadequate has to do with geography. Islamisation in India occurred mainly on the far eastern and western ends of the Indo-Gangetic plain, along the margins of both the stronghold of Indo-Muslim rule (the Delhi Doab), and of the heartland of Brahmanical culture (Aryavarta). Since the power of both the Delhi sultanate and Mughals was greatest in the Delhi Doab and weakest at the margins, the “sword” thesis cannot explain the growth of Islam in the margins. The same is true of the “patronage” argument, for the same reason. Similarly, the argument that low-caste Hindus found in Islam an escape from Brahmanical and upper caste oppression is unconvincing, since the greatest movement to Islam occurred in areas where Brahmanical power was weakest.

            I do not think it is possible to quantify conversions secured through these modes of explanation. It is true that scattered references in the original sources mention individuals who converted to Islam after receiving some sort of favour or patronage from the court of Sultan Firuz Tughluq. But these few instances cannot explain Islamisation among the millions who lived far from the centres of court patronage.”

            https://scroll.in/article/769463/we-will-never-know-the-number-of-temples-desecrated-through-indias-history-richard-eaton

            Neither of you seem to have any academic training in History (please do correct me if I’m wrong). I trust the word of a renowned professor of History more than of random people on the internet. You are free to disagree with Eaton but the proper way of disagreement is to cite equally renowned academics on the other side. Accusing people of “opportunistic lying” is neither here nor there.

            You are free to disengage if you wish. It’s no skin off my back. I also don’t have unlimited patience to argue with people who don’t have proper academic training in the humanities and have convinced themselves that their Hindu Nationalist narrative is the absolute “truth”.

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        2. For those who are genuinely interested in engaging with historical scholarship and not just repeating their favorite narratives:

          “Approaches to the Study of Conversion to Islam in India” by Richard M. Eaton

          https://archive.org/stream/ConversionToIslamInIndiaByRichardM.Eaton/conversion%20to%20islam%20in%20india%20by%20richard%20m.%20eaton_djvu.txt

          The problem with the Hindu Nationalists on this forum is that too many of you are narrowly trained in some technology/engineering field and have absolutely no idea how scholarship is conducted in the humanities. It is easy to argue that the “Left” controls academia but I have yet to see anyone on the Hindu Right produce a credible work of scholarship.

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    2. Pogrom implies state sponsorship

      No, it doesn’t. Societal violence, where a relatively more powerful group targets a relatively less powerful one also counts. The state can be indifferent or even powerless to do anything about it.

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      1. “In general usage, a pogrom is an outbreak of mass violence directed against a minority religious, ethnic, or social group; it usually implies central instigation and control, or at minimum the passivity of local authorities.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_pogrom

        In any case, a terrorist attack doesn’t qualify. There was no “central instigation or control”. What happened in Delhi last month was a pogrom though. (Though of course the Hindu nationalists here will insist it was a “riot”). Anytime the police are standing aside or actively helping “rioters”, it’s a pogrom.

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        1. I called what happened in Delhi last month a pogrom too. I’ve only slightly amended my assessment based on reports. I now believe it began as a set of riots and ended as a pogrom. Unfortunately, this sequence of events has played out more than once in modern India.

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          1. I wasn’t referring to you. There are definitely people here who will insist that it was a “riot”.

            It was definitely instigated. BJP politicians shouted slogans advocating shooting “traitors”.

            When it comes to the events in Kabul, a suicide bombing doesn’t qualify as either a riot or a pogrom.

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          2. It’s funny how you reduce important questions to semantic nitpicking.

            Who cares if it is a “riot” or a “pogrom” according to some lame definition ? It is (yet another) case of Muslims murdering innocent minorities. Give it some nice name, if you like. It is still bigotry and murder in the name of religion.

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          3. Words have definitions and it is important that they are used properly. Communication is impossible otherwise. If you want to call this “semantic nitpicking”, go ahead.

            I have never defended suicide bombing or any other murders in the name of religion.

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  7. Jogendra Nath Mandal fell for the canard of the Muslim-Dalit alliance and supported the Muslim League in its quest for Pakistan, only to return to India citing anti-Hindu bias. In contrast Ambedkar proved to be much smarter and succeeded in shaping modern India. Though Ambedkar critiqued hindu society, he was wise enough not to turn into a Periyar.
    At the end of the day, dalits are Kafirs. This is why most refugees who will benefit from CAA are dalits like Bengali Mathuas or Sindhi Hindus etc. Even within India, they are targeted and killed for being Kafirs during communal riots including the one in Delhi recently.
    There are three routes to better status for Dalits:
    – Capitalism including dalit entrepreneurship: The caste system is primarily an entrenched feudal economic order of the agrarian economy. With economic changes, industrialization and urbanization, Dalits will become a part of the larger high status, urban middle class
    – Dalit Hindutva : Dalits will merge into the larger Hindu identity and benefit from an increasingly high status Hindu identity.
    – State affirmative action: This is necessary for Dalits in the near term. But may not offer high status in the long run

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    1. ram manohar lohiya once astutely observed that to achieve high class status in india, one needs to possess any two out of the following three assets – a high caste, money and command of english language. (you can try all combinations and clearly see that any two of the three will do).

      since dalits by definition do not have a high caste, they must possess the other two benchmarks, i.e. english and money, to achieve social mobility.

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      1. While the saying might have been true for its time, I think it will not hold in the future. Caste will be increasingly irrelevant in post-industrial, urbanized India. English will soon be universalized and will lose its status as a marker of the elite. The anglophone, deracinated and incompetent elite used English to police its elite circles. However, as new India sheds it colonial baggage, people now realize that merely speaking fluent English is not a sign that the person is competent. Multi-lingual fluency will gain importance. Mixed languages i.e. Kannada-English, Hinglish will prevail in the future. Interesting to note that Modi does not speak fluent english, and belongs to a lower caste and class, but still managed to achieve power because of a whole new status symbol – Hindu identity. Dalits can therefore achieve the same status either with capitalism or Hindutva.

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        1. However, as new India sheds it colonial baggage, people now realize that merely speaking fluent English is not a sign that the person is competent.

          I grew up in small town Hindi-speaking India, and I don’t think such an impression existed even when I was growing up. Indians are and were a very status-conscious people. It’s not competence that marked the English-speaking elite but a kind of “laat saheb” status or authority carried over from the British Raj.

          Needless to say, this needs to go. The apprehension I have is that people associate classically liberal values and a scientific temperament with the English language, and the current populist backlash may be trying to get rid of those as well, which would be akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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          1. Need not get overtly worried, all populist backlash are skin deep (like communist/socialist populism as well) .

            At the end of the day when you do not have a parallel path to progress forward, people will come back home to the same old English language and “western values” . Since “Eastern values” doesn’t put food on the table. Just like Commies had to bend in front of Capitalism.

            After all all the elite of this new populism are somewhat from the the same class of elite of the old one. Their children dont go to Gurukul and done get treated with Ayurveda

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          2. Scientific inquiry, free expression and pluralism is independent of language. Anglo saxons don’t have a patent on it. It has deep cultural roots in India. There was always a culture of inquiry and active debate in Indic culture. There are many who have a deep inferiority complex who feel to have a scientific temper or be liberal they need to imitate Anglo saxons. People who are truly confident will merely pursue their inquiry without resorting to cheap imitation. It is curiosity, independent thinking, capital and confidence which will spark scientific progress in India, not imitation.
            The anglophones in India were/are deeply elitist and their disdain for the masses was/is deeply undemocratic. They continued the British legacy and in order to acquire Asian characteristics sought to whitewash Islamicate culture and pretend to be its inheritors. This neither makes them liberal nor does it make them pluralist.
            As for scientific temper, most of the Indian leftist “liberals” do not use evidence scientifically. They live in their own make believe data-free world. They tend to be from the humanities background rather STEM fields. They have an agenda which they doggedly pursue. They also have a deep inferiority complex and are crude imitators of their woke western counterparts to seek their validation.

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        2. @southindian
          Nothing unusual about ‘Hindus’ accepting leadership of Shoodra though. There were numerous Shoodra kings, courtiers, chieftains, village heads, rich traders etc in ancient and medieval India. Even recently many maratha generals were from peasent and herder ‘castes’.

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      2. one needs to possess any two out of the following three assets – a high caste, money and command of english language

        Yep, this explains recent voting practices in the Hindi heartland.

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    2. Ambedkar also wanted complete population transfer after partition. He believed that muslims can’t be loyal to a country which is not ruled by sharia rule. According to Islam a ‘kuffar’ can never become leader of the muslims.

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      1. “He believed that muslims can’t be loyal to a country…”

        Funny you would say that because the example he gave referred 2 Afghanistan… and here we are talking about Kabul

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    1. @numinous
      I don’t wish them COVID or any other disease because it would also threaten life of regular innocent citizens.

      I think ideological infection is the best way to deal with these bastards. They have great sense of ‘honour’ so create division and let then take ‘badla’ from each-other till death.

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  8. “Jogendra Nath Mandal fell for the canard of the Muslim-Dalit alliance and supported the Muslim League in its quest for Pakistan”

    TBF I feel Mandal role is exaggerated post partition, especially because he became Jinnah’s Hindu poster boy. He was a dalit leader of just one region that too a minority within a minority (Bengali Hindus) There is no evidence that he had sway over Western Pak’s dalit pops, when he could hardly speak their language. Not sure how much he had sway over his own Namashudras, because by the time of partition they already had some idea what’s future gonna be like (after Calcutta riots).

    Add to that voting was a exclusive right during partition which more than 90 percent of dalits would not have. The prime (and the biggest mover) of Bengali partition were Bengali muslims and dalits were not really needed to achieve anything .

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    1. Agreed. He was not an important player. However, he demonstrates that dalits who fall for dalit-muslim alliance are later doomed. Most important dalit figures and dalit masses both past and present realize that there is no love lost between the communities which do clash during riots. The alliance is only in the mind of left-liberals or two bit political players.

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  9. “Even in the time of pandemic they still stick to their old script…”

    May I humbly submit that your average Pashtun or Arab ISIS militant is generally less afraid of dying and death than a paranoid American suburbanite?

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    1. That’s because they don’t have any love towards life. They are more concerned about their ‘honour’ than their survival.

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  10. It’s crazy that Sikhs still choose to live in Afghanistan. Like why? They can live in India, and possibly even western countries.

    Afghanistan sucks even if you’re rich.

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    1. maybe some cling to the rose tinted vision of Ranjit Singh’s relatively short lived empire that spanned into Afghanistan?

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  11. And still the West is saying that India should not provide expedited refuge for Sikhs in Afghanistan.

    If they won’t let India give them refuge then at least they should step up and give the Sikhs in Afghanistan refuge in the West.

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    1. Nobody has said India should not give citizenship to persecuted Sikhs or Hindus.

      People are saying India should not make the above conditional on stripping Indian Muslims of their citizenship.

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      1. No one is taking away citizenship from Muslims. It is unimaginable and quite frankly impossible to do.

        Only people who have worldwide persecution complex thinking the whole world is trying to get them on account of their religion are thinking like this. All the while they are the ones under whose majority no other thought process is allowed to survive, thrive or compete.

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  12. Not read most of the above comments.

    Cyrus . . . Afghanistan does not suck. Know people who live in Afghanistan. Kabul was a pretty amazing place (at least until a month ago).

    There is no need to sharply cut off foreign aid to Afghanistan. If Afghanistan gets foreign aid they can hold out against the Pakistani Army Deep State GHQ, Gulf establishment and their Taliban/Al Qaeda/Daesh proxies indefinitely.

    The GIRoA is far more popular and legitimate than the Taliban or any foreign power (such as Daesh, Pakistani Army, Gulf, Arab world, UN, Trump, Putin, President Xi Jinping)

    Over 70 thousand patriotic ANSF heroes have died in combat fighting Jihadis. Many tens of thousands more will sacrifice their lives for Afghanistan if given the chance.

    The Sikhs are very popular and liked by Afghan people and the Afghan establishment. Many have served heroically in the Afghan National Army. Unfortunately Pakistani Army does not like them.

    And I suspect a Pakistani hand in the attack against Afghanistan’s most patriotic and loved people-the Sikh lions.

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    1. Kerala is hub of ‘Love Jihad’ and conversion activities. Non-muslims are persuaded to join Islamic cause by brainwashing and putting constant social pressure on youth in the college.
      Kerala will become next Kashmir in a decade.
      These 2 girls got converted to Islam and joined Kasargod module of IS. Now they want to return to India but with a condition !
      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2020/mar/16/kerala-women-who-joined-islamic-state-now-want-to-return-home-2117159.amp

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      1. Mobbywick, what do you Kerala friends tell you?

        I have been told that a larger percentage of Kerala muslims are conservative Sunnis than any other state in India–including Kashmir.

        But note that the St. Thomas Syriac Christians are strong (and mostly support the non left). Together with the Dharmics (including Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs) they are strong enough to hold their own with respect to conservative Sunnis. Aggressive European and American evangelicals add another dimension.

        A generation ago Kerala had a lot of Sufis. However the Sufis have mostly either fled or been driven underground. Several high profile Kerala Sufis have been assasinated by Islamists. This said, I think that many Kerala folks pretending to be conservative Sunnis are still secretly Sufi. I think they will go public again when it gets safer. It is very important to fight for the freedom of art and thought of Kerala muslims and to provide extensive police protection to Kerala sufis.

        It is much more dangerous to be a sufi in Kerala than in any other Indian state–including Kashmir. One reason I think so is because I am in contact with Kashmiri Sufis who live in the Valley and Keralites.

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    1. JR, this Sikh Gurudwara has been high profile for a long time. Afghans are proud of it. Until very recently Kabul was a safe city–similar to many Indian or Pakistani cities.

      Afghanistan still has several high profile Pir Shirdi Sai Nath temples in Kabul, Herat, Mazar e Sharif and Jalalabad. Along with many other spiritual and secular places.

      We have many Afghan podcasts planned. Please send questions. Askhar is interviewing them. Mukunda and Omar will hopefully join if they are available too.

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