By request — the ouroboros game

Callum Flack saw my recent post here and wanted to see examples of the Ouroboros board in use — so this post is for him, and Ali Minai too if self-reference interests him — I’m guessing it does, unless computer science has moved so far ahead since Hofstadter wrote Godel Escher Bach that it no longer applies..


How to explain the ouroboros? It’s the ancient and ubiquitous symbol, found earliest, perhaps, in Pharaonic Egypt, of a serpent biting its own tail:

More recently, it’s a popular image in alchemy

Self bites itself. And that’s a pattern worth watching.


Wikipedia tells us, quoting a Harvard study by Michael Witzel:

in the Aitareya Brahmana, a Vedic text of the early 1st millennium BCE, the nature of the Vedic rituals is compared to “a snake biting its own tail.”

Then there’s this example from a medieval Indian scripture, the Yoga-Kundalini Upanishad:

The divine power, Kundalini, shines like the stem of a young lotus; like a snake, coiled round upon herself she holds her tail in her mouth and lies resting half asleep as the base of the body

That’s ouroboros.

There’s a marvelous moment in the film Silence of the Lambs when the young FBI trainee, Clarice Starling, asks the psychiatrist and serial killed Hannibal Lecter:

You see a lot, Doctor. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don’t you – why don’t you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you’re afraid to.

That’s ouroboros.

The paradox of Epimenideas, the Cretan philosopher who declared “all Cretans are always liars” which St Paul mentions in his Epistle to Titus, is ouroboric.

Artists, too, can take an interest in such things as hands that are drawing hands drawing hands — a double ouroboros (MC Escher)..

or pipes that are not pipes (Magritte):


Anyway, here for any who are interested, are some instances of the one-move self-referential Ouroboros board in use:

I think you’ll see why this New Yorker title jumped out of the page at me:

Writers like ’em!

I really liked these two examples, carried by political activists — the first on a back-pack:

and the second on a placard — totally surreal, bearing no relation to the political event which was being protested:

That, too, is an ouroboros.

Nancy Pelosi used a weird ouroboros the other day, saying:

The logo of 8chan, home of the image-board where the extremists of the alt-right meet and plot away from prying eyes is another double ouroboros:

Here’s one from Hofstadter’s book, Godel Escher Bach:

And finally, here are five instances collected by the writer William Safire:


I hope you like these, and find your own — here, again, is the empty Ouroboros game board in case you wish to drop your own examples into it!


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Charles Cameron

I've mostly been blogging at, a strategy & creativity focused site where I'm managing editor, and am honored and delighted to have been invited to contribute here at BrownPundits. My degree is in Theology (Christian) from Oxford, I'm interested in religions generally and apocalyptic weirdness and religiously oriented violence in particular, but ah, music is like a breath of fresh air after that, and my love of Bach has tgranslated into an i nquiry: How can we hold contrasting concepts and worldviews in mind at the same time, the way Bach' hold contrasting melodies together in musical counterpoint? This is obviously a useful trait to develop in social setting, for diplomats, intelligence analysts and national security wonks -- and for anyone interested in a sophisticated understanding of our complex world. My own approach to the mapping of simultaneous but contrasting ideas is based in my understanding of Hermann Hesse's great game, described in his Nobel-winning novel The Glass Bead Game. I hope to begin my posting here by introducing Hesse's Game, and my own attempt to make it playable -- on a napkin in a cafe, preferably, with dappled sunshine, a cool breeze, and a curious , openmind..

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4 years ago

Ouroboros is a cornerstone in Jungian depth psychology

Milan Todorovic
Milan Todorovic
4 years ago

Is “Scio me nihil scire!” also ouroboros?

4 years ago

This is a logical paradox like All Cretans are liars

Milan Todorovic
Milan Todorovic
4 years ago
Reply to  VijayVan

This is similar to when Key says: “I don’t follow taqiyya!”

Milan Todorovic
Milan Todorovic
4 years ago

I already paraphrased the Socratic paradox and drew a circle in the previous Thread. When Oracle (i.e. I) declared Socrates (i.e. Xerxie, a son of Darius) the wisest man (i.e. pundit) in Athens (i.e among BPs), Socrates (i.e. Xerxie) said: “I know that I know nothing”. Socrates (i.e. Xerxie) according to Plato (i.e. Razib) knows that his knowledge is nothing compared to the vastness if what he could learn and he literally knows a fraction of real knowledge. Socrates (i.e. Xerxie) was trying to prove that Oracle (i.e. me) was wrong, what is a Paradox.

The Epimenides (who is a Cretan himself) paradox (‘all Cretans are liars’) exposes a problem with self-reference in logic.

Likewise for Key, who is a shadow t-spokesman, (it was a local joke directed to VV ?).

4 years ago

+1008 Milan!

4 years ago

I did not see this post earlier.

Ouroboros is one the most important memeplexes in eastern civilization, history, philosophy and culture.

It has many layers of meaning:
—narrative story
—sound (of the texts that describe it) . . . also called Naad Yoga or Laya Yoga or Mantra Yoga or sound brain therapy
—Poetic reference to subjective mystical consciousness experiences (designed to facilitate an experience)
—brain and nervous system (Tantra technology . . . Kundalini)
—Naga Devatas (single or multi-hooded cobras)
—Sarpa Devatas
—Chinese Dragons
—many others so fantastical I am afraid to write about them

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