The Inward Turn: Muslim Politics in the Indian Subcontinent from the Fall of the Mughals to the Present

A friend from Twitter (@kartheeque) has written a nice detailed post about the inward turn in Muslim politics in India and its various consequences. It is well worth a read. The original is available at Substack as “The Inward turn..” (he goes by Viduracounsel) He has kindly consented to posting the whole thing here as well:

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Omar Ali

I am a physician interested in obesity and insulin resistance, and in particular in the genetics and epigenetics of obesity As a blogger, I am more interested in history, Islam, India, the ideology of Pakistan, and whatever catches my fancy. My opinions can change.

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formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago

Nice article.
1) The role of Saudi backed wahabbi influence, both due to the liberal funding of mosques , madrasas and also exposure to that culture real time, because of opportunities in the Arabian peninsula needs to be acknowledged. Many normal ordinary Muslims on returning back home act like Arabs.
2) rise of parties like Aimim, sdpi, which start with assertion of Muslim rights, are becoming an end in itself leading to further segregation from the main stream.
3) Rather than pointing to the masses, the ashraff could have done it, but….

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago

Modi is the Ataturk for Indian Muslims.

Triple Talaq gone. UCC coming soon.

Calvin
Calvin
1 month ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

I disagree, parties like Jaamat e Islami and others that came out of the thought currents in the article are going from strength to strength even parties like AIMIM or SDPI that also represent the revivalist thought process are strengthening.

Naam de guerre
Naam de guerre
1 month ago
Reply to  Calvin

Yeah BB is completely off the mark. Muslim identity has consolidated under Modi to the point where despite their relative decline in political power, Muslims exercise significant power and perhaps in some ways more so than before 2014.

Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  Naam de guerre

Identity might consolidate but the law will not make concessions for their identity is my point.

If they truly wish to reach the mainstream/elite circles they will have to adopt a secular posture, else get relegated to being a permanent underclass (which is what they fought against as referenced in the original post).

Last edited 1 month ago by Bombay Badshah
X.T.M
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1 month ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

But that is the problem is the Elite circles are fairly rarefied; how many Dalits are there in Bollywood.

Even when Bollywood wants to portray a Dalit it takes Jhanvi Kapoor or a Marathi Brahmin (in the Wedding Planning show)..

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

for that matter how many non-panjabi actors get top billing? Bollywood which has been dominated by Panjabis (from both sides of the border). And mind you Bollywood was dominated by Progressive Writers and Actors. Only goes to show how “wokeism” was used as a shield to protect elite networks. OTOH GOI has ensure Dalit representation in Gov jobs and elected representatives.

naam de guerre
naam de guerre
1 month ago
Reply to  Bhumiputra

Literally wrote the same thing a minute after you. Couldn’t agree more.

X.T.M
Admin
1 month ago
Reply to  Bhumiputra

excellent points

naam de guerre
naam de guerre
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Dalit representation is gradually improving and will gather steam but Bollywood is perhaps the worst parameter to gauge this with. For the longest time, it has been dominated by Punjabis of N-W British India far out of proportion to their numbers in India. Not very different from how Kashmiri Pundits were elite power holders in civil services till about the 1980s. I like to think these are historical accidents due to the convergence of some very specific factors that eventually noramlize. For e.g., Bollywood is already far more representative than it has ever been and elite power circles in India have higher proportion of backward castes than at any other time in history.

The only ‘losers’ are Muslims and Dr. Omar has diagnosed the reasons for that already. This is not to say I wholly agree with BB but just trying to bring more nuance to this conversation.

X.T.M
Admin
1 month ago
Reply to  naam de guerre

interesting

Bombay Badshah
Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Thing is Bollywood is so “glossy” even the Dalits who make it there don’t talk about their identity and become “Bollywoodias”.

Jhanvi’s boyfriend Shikhar and his brother Veer (an actor) are part of a famous Dalit family (Sushilkumar Shinde).

Vikrant Massey (or Masih) is a Christian Punjabi Dalit. Yousuf Youhana is a famous Pakistani one. Lahore does have lots of Christian Dalits (converts from the chuhra caste).

It is Tamil cinema where Dalits are very prominent with their Dalit identity and make movies regarding it (will expound later on a post regarding South Indian cinema).

Calvin
Calvin
1 month ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

Vikranth has a christian mother but he identifies as a hindu to my knowledge.

X.T.M
Admin
1 month ago
Reply to  Calvin

Vikrant Massey has a Christian father, Sikh mother, Hindu wife and Muslim brother (who converted at 17). Poster child for Indian secularism?

PC has a Christian mother but seems to be raising her daughter in a fairly Hindu manner.

We are an InterFaith environment but we’d hazard that we are very much Hindu-oriented as well.a

Naam de guerre
Naam de guerre
1 month ago

@XTM – bunch of my comments seem to have gone in to spam again.

X.T.M
Admin
1 month ago
Reply to  Naam de guerre

Have they?

naam de guerre
naam de guerre
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Seem to be up now. Thank you

Last edited 1 month ago by Kratswat
formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago

Some more points :
1) hamid dalvai the maratha Muslim leader had opened that hindutva was a reaction to Muslim assertion.
2) one trend that has been seen in karnataka is that politicians addressing Muslims speak in Urdu. Although karnataka Muslims speak Urdu at home, kanaada is missing in the public discourses.
3) efforts to have Kannada taught in madrasas have failed.
4) Faisal writing in facebook on tcs issue, says that as of now 30% support BJP, and by the actions of Muslims if this becomes 35% , Muslims will be permanently out of the power structure.

X.T.M
Admin
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

It’s a bit amusing since isn’t the Hindu movement particularly strong in Karnataka; Bangalore etc.

Muslims have done a better job in Urdufying their Southern kin than North Indians have to to the South or Pakistanis to Bangladesh?

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

North karnataka has more Muslim population and some parts were under Muslim rule longer (bahamanis and nizam) hence has more Urdu /dakhani.
South karnataka has some years of Muslim rule, however tipu forced Muslims to speak in urdu/dakhani, and hence it survives. Till recently the relationship between hindus and Muslims was OK and hence hindus also picked up some lingo.
The official Kannada has many Persian words.
There was no much Urdu in the coast earlier, but with the gulf influence it also has seen Urdu.

naam de guerre
naam de guerre
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

It is more that Muslims think of Urdu as their language vs regional languages that they claim only tactically to fan the flames of regionalism to combat Hindu consolidation. Add to this the fact that Dakhni Hindi/Urdu has been the lingua franca of several Muslim groups in S. India and it starts to make sense why.

Bombay Badshah
Bombay Badshah
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Karnataka is the only South Indian state where BJP has had a government and Bangalore is a BJP bastion.

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago

Where is the loss of inheritance of the Hindus such as somanath, Delhi, Kashi, vijayanagar etc recorded?
In fact romila thaper wrote a book denouncing the trauma due to loss of somanath as manufactured by British to divide Hindus and Muslims.
Hindus did not turn inwards, they took British education and threw British out.
What made them not turn inwards?
Recent loses like Lahore, dhaka are now recorded.

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago

One observation:
Every other day a “love jihad” case props up, either in the internet or local language TV.
The girls are college going or working and invariably the after wedding photo shows her wearing a hijab.
The photos of other professional Muslim women also show almost all of them in hijab.
Looks like this is the new normal.

Thank God, the obnoxious nikab was greatly reduced.

Burkha is either for extremely orthodox or old women.

There was a time when upper class ‘official ‘ families hesitated to give their daughters to burkha families.

On the other hand, the educated Muslim youth wears the skull cap mostly for Namaz. Only the very orthodox wear it always

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