Why do nonmuslims treat muslims so badly (d)?

This is a follow up to Global alliances and wheels within wheels:

Global alliances and wheels within wheels

ISNA recently had a meeting in Houston.  Many of the “muslim” attendees were closet atheist ex muslims, atheist muslims, liberal muslims and minority muslims. Most of them treated ex muslim atheists respectfully and warmly. The extent to which even ISNA–which until recently was a conservative muslim organization–has moved on LBGTQ, atheism, European enlightenment liberalism, human rights, shariah, Islamism, Jihad, feminism is remarkable. Now in America, Canada, India even conservative mosques have meetings where they discuss how to interact with atheist ex muslims. Part of the reasons suggested in the panel discussion is because muslim Americans in particular socio-economically outperform caucasian Americans. But whatever the reason might be, atheist ex-muslims have received less push back from muslims than expected. And this is good.

However nonmuslims have treated atheist ex muslims with great anger, racism, bigotry, prejudice and sectarianism. For example Starbucks asked atheist ex muslims to leave their coffee shop. The extent of anger is so intense, that even ex muslims’ historic allies and friends–prominent global atheist organizations–have asked the atheist ex muslims to get out. Atheists are too afraid of backlash from xenophobic nonmuslims. Some of the reasons the three wise one (Ali, Armin and Muhammed Syed) speculated for why include:

  • Racism of low expectations. Authentic darkies can only support Islamists because they are not advanced enough or mature enough to support moderates, liberals or atheists. So nonmuslims need to back Islamists against moderates.
    • Only accept Islamists as “real muslims” or muslim leaders. Moderate muslims are not “real muslims” and are not muslim leaders.
  • “white guilt” which can only be assuaged by backing Islamists against moderate muslims
  • Only “white people” and non muslim Asians are powerful enough to influence or cause anything in the world. Everyone else is not powerful, intelligent or wise
    • Syed said that only “white people” matter
    • Ali says “America is not the only country in the world”
    • Only condemn white imperialism or non muslim Asian imperialism [I have seen young idealistic do gooder caucasian females condemn Japanese imperialism or Hinduism/Buddhism imperialism or the Chinese “rape” of Africa]
    • Islamist imperialism and empire is celebrated and fetished by many nonmuslims
  • Antifa, Black Panthers and Communists attacked the ex muslim atheists and were chanting the muslim azaan in a horrendous accent.
    • Muslim ISNA participants were horrified and scared by the crazies; and couldn’t believe they were on the side of muslims
  • A new video with footage about the Houston crazies is about to come out.

A question for everyone at Brown Pundits. Is part of the cause of this crazy-ness exposed by “What an Audacious Hoax Reveals About Academia”? [Hat-trip the wise sandrokottos.]

PS. Previous Brown Pundit articles on this subject are:

Global alliances and wheels within wheels

Why do nonmuslims treat muslims so badly (c)?

Our existence is an offense to moderate Muslims!

Why do nonmuslims treat muslims so badly (b)?

Why do nonmuslims treat muslims so badly (a)?

Why do English nonmuslims treat English muslims so badly?

Why nonmuslims treat muslims so badly?

Why do nonmulims mistreat muslims so much?

Why do nonmuslims treat atheist muslims so badly?

Congratulations Sajid Javid!

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Razib Khan
5 years ago

one of the things i’ve learned from listening to this podcast is that western muslims (or those from that background) are by and large kind of open in many cases to engaging with ex-muslims. rather, it’s the progressive non-muslim left which is wary, with the far left being hostile, as well as the far right.

this is very different from a generation ago i think.

5 years ago

Wild and possibly nonsensical speculation to follow:
Progressives regard the conservative Christian West as their ultimate enemy. It’s their assh*le dad and the Great Dragon all in one.
They see Salafist execution porn, imagine there’s a lot more Muslim hatred for Christians in the Ummah than there really is, and just would absolutely love the orange-jumpsuit treatment to happen to their local bible-boosting Billy-Bobs. They fantasize that Muslim immigrants are their very own reverse Janissaries, ready to smash patriarchal Christendom.

So when Muslims go secular they see it as a traitorous defection.


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